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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I agree, they are far from dead. In my opinion, if they did the three things I mentioned, I think their prospects are rather good.
    They in my opinion will either adjust or become basically irrelevant like they were from 1932 to 1952. IKE proved one popular individual can bring any party back from the point of oblivion to being a force worth reckoning. Reagan did the same.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Step back and look at what you're doing here. You're not arguing from a principle towards a conclusion, you're arguing from a desired conclusion and trying to find ways to justify that conclusion.

    You're pointing to people making enough to live, but we have a progressive tax system and we have income supports for working people, so a marginal tax increase doesn't affect these people AT ALL. Those who are affected are far higher up the income ladder. You have to look at the margin. Why would taxes NOT affect people on the margin? It doesn't have to be everyone, just like not every smoker quits when the sin taxes are increased.

    You trying to devise ad hoc reasoning to support your position of higher tax rates not affecting behavior is going to be a fruitless task. The principle holds true everywhere, just the sensitivity of response changes.
    Wait...are you arguing that taxes influence behavior or are you arguing tax increases equal less revenue and tax decreases equal more revenue.
    If it's the former I've already agreed with you. If it's the latter it's just simplified Laffer curve baloney. I responded to a post where you pretty much said that sin taxes purposely set at levels to reduce usage can be used to compare to capital gains taxes.
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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

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    Well fantasies can be fun until the bubble is burst. So knock yourself out!
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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Well, you can ignore changing demographics....but that won't change them.

    If you keep making that tent smaller, don't come whining when no one votes for your candidates.
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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Well, you can ignore changing demographics....but that won't change them.

    If you keep making that tent smaller, don't come whining when no one votes for your candidates.
    Demographic change as it affects political parties is not a uni-directional phenomenon.

    As the Democrats become a browner party, the Republicans will become a whiter party. We already know that whites, generally, exhibit a higher rate of voting than do minorities, so the battle here is which party can muster a greater amount of voters.

    Don't forget that with all of the Democrat's efforts to convince the women of America that the Republicans were engaged in a War on Women, the Republicans won the majority of the white women's vote. Don't forget that despite the effort to convince the young people of America that only fossils vote for Republicans and that cool people, with an eye to the future, vote for Obama, that the Republicans won the majority of the white youth vote.

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Demographic change as it affects political parties is not a uni-directional phenomenon.

    As the Democrats become a browner party, the Republicans will become a whiter party. We already know that whites, generally, exhibit a higher rate of voting than do minorities, so the battle here is which party can muster a greater amount of voters.

    Don't forget that with all of the Democrat's efforts to convince the women of America that the Republicans were engaged in a War on Women, the Republicans won the majority of the white women's vote. Don't forget that despite the effort to convince the young people of America that only fossils vote for Republicans and that cool people, with an eye to the future, vote for Obama, that the Republicans won the majority of the white youth vote.
    Do you have any data that breaks this down this way?

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Do you have any data that breaks this down this way?
    Sure, google-fu the term "Romney won the white vote" and that will start you off. I believe I read somewhere that Romney won a greater share of the white vote than did Reagan, but I haven't verified that.

    There have also been numerous pieces of analysis which note that it will be easier for Republicans to peel off a 1% white vote from the Democrats than to get the same number of Hispanic voters but needing to capture 5% in order for the voter totals to be equal.

    Lastly, it all boils down to policies. From whom will the money be extracted and to whom shall that money be directed. Obama has put Affirmative Action into many places in the ObamaCare legislation, it's now in the Financial regulations. These hiring quotas will only increase.

    Look at what happened in Texas in the Fisher AA case - the U of Texas wanted to grant Affirmative Action to the children of rich Black and Hispanic professionals and disadvantage the children of white working class parents who outscored them in grades and SATs.

    This race-based stuff will only increase in scope as the country gets more multicultural. Even the white political leaders and operatives in the Democratic Party are going to be squeezed out eventually - it will become impossible to run a plantation like political system - white leaders and staffers lording over the brown mass of voters. There are ambitious people in that brown mass of people and they're going to want to be leaders. How much longer do you think that this is going to be possible:

    As you can see here, beyond Cory Booker (who faced a real race in October but as of now has no real opponent), not only are the Democrats running a virtually all-white slate of candidates in the marquee statewide races, just about every Democrat in a hotly contested race this year is white.

    One last point - Pew ran a poll recently which asked Young Millennials whether they wanted to increase the scale and scope of government or reduce it. The vast majority of white respondents thought government was too large and doing too many things and should be scaled back. Minority voters thought government was not going enough to help them and wanted to increase the scale and scope of government operations in society.

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Sure, google-fu the term "Romney won the white vote" and that will start you off. I believe I read somewhere that Romney won a greater share of the white vote than did Reagan, but I haven't verified that.

    There have also been numerous pieces of analysis which note that it will be easier for Republicans to peel off a 1% white vote from the Democrats than to get the same number of Hispanic voters but needing to capture 5% in order for the voter totals to be equal.

    Lastly, it all boils down to policies. From whom will the money be extracted and to whom shall that money be directed. Obama has put Affirmative Action into many places in the ObamaCare legislation, it's now in the Financial regulations. These hiring quotas will only increase.

    Look at what happened in Texas in the Fisher AA case - the U of Texas wanted to grant Affirmative Action to the children of rich Black and Hispanic professionals and disadvantage the children of white working class parents who outscored them in grades and SATs.

    This race-based stuff will only increase in scope as the country gets more multicultural. Even the white political leaders and operatives in the Democratic Party are going to be squeezed out eventually - it will become impossible to run a plantation like political system - white leaders and staffers lording over the brown mass of voters. There are ambitious people in that brown mass of people and they're going to want to be leaders. How much longer do you think that this is going to be possible:

    As you can see here, beyond Cory Booker (who faced a real race in October but as of now has no real opponent), not only are the Democrats running a virtually all-white slate of candidates in the marquee statewide races, just about every Democrat in a hotly contested race this year is white.

    One last point - Pew ran a poll recently which asked Young Millennials whether they wanted to increase the scale and scope of government or reduce it. The vast majority of white respondents thought government was too large and doing too many things and should be scaled back. Minority voters thought government was not going enough to help them and wanted to increase the scale and scope of government operations in society.
    Sounds like its a politics war over the role of government, in a way
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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    And surely you must be aware that men, no different than any other men, wrote the dictionary. Furthermore you must be aware that words acquire different meanings as they are used over time. And, you must be aware that if a person wants to communicate with others, they should chose their words carefully so that their meaning is clear.

    I have pointed out the problem with the usage of the term in that context. I have provided a reference to support my claim. You can accept it or reject it as you like.
    so if you or i write a story for a newspaper this empowers us to change the meaning of words....sorry i think not!

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so if you or i write a story for a newspaper this empowers us to change the meaning of words....sorry i think not!
    The story did not change the meaning, usage changed the meaning. It already meant that, I knew that meaning when I heard Rush say it in 2008. Sorry, try again.

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