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Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

I think this thread is built on a faulty premise. Outside of Colorado and Washington, I haven't seen any evidence that the Democrats, as a national party, are remotely interested in legalizing marijuana.

Nor do I...but they are smart enough to avoid loudly opposing it. In this way they are not seen as fighting against popular demand and thus do not drive voters away. Tactically this is a very wise political position to take. By fighting many of the "Hot Button" issues in society IE:Abortion, Healthcare, Entitlements, Equality, ....etc. , they are eliminating votes while the Dems are creating new ones.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

These millenials (my generation) are being herded into colleges to get useless degrees, graduating with tens of thousands of dollars of debt, only to find that there are no good-paying jobs awaiting us, and you old fogies are still hung up on gays and pot.

Please, get over yourselves and help us out.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

really, ...what I said is dead on for you, because I know you do not respect property rights

thanks by the way for your attention, I know I stuck a nerve, since you had to address me.

I note you're still being hyperbolic. Your arguments are still unoriginal and exaggerated.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

You've kinda supported the OP here, Tucker. Your intended dig at the GOP actually suggests that conservatives (at least social conservatives), unlike Democrats, vote what they believe regardless of popularity. I think that can be both good and bad. BTW, I don't oppose gay rights. I do oppose legalizing marijuana.

Not at all. The GOP is just as much a pandering load of dickheads. They just pander to the lowest common denominator, while the Dems pander to college educated young people.

Ironically, the legalization of marijuana thing is actually the fiscally conservative thing to do, yet the so-called fiscal conservatives oppose it. Gay rights is the real lowest common denominator thing.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

This is obviously bull****.
Its a very famous quote bub if memory serves. Might have birches it a tad but it is.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

The problem with the term "Libertarian" is that so many Republicans who are too embarrassed to call themselves Republicans started referring to themselves as "Libertarians". You can always spot a true Liberatarian from an embarrassed Republican Libertarian though.
Yep. Someone who says we should have laws defining marriage as between one man and a woman, or that we shouldnt be legalizing marijuana because it's a gateway drug that might also increase car accidents, not to mention those yammering that we need a strong leader in the White House who acts unilaterally like Putin, are definitely not Libertarian. They are neo cons and closet fascists.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Not at all. The GOP is just as much a pandering load of dickheads. They just pander to the lowest common denominator, while the Dems pander to college educated young people.

Ironically, the legalization of marijuana thing is actually the fiscally conservative thing to do, yet the so-called fiscal conservatives oppose it. Gay rights is the real lowest common denominator thing.

Isn't it interesting that it's the things you disagree with is what makes us all "dickheads". Lol. Is it that you want both parties to look exactly the same?
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Isn't it interesting that it's the things you disagree with is what makes us all "dickheads". Lol. Is it that you want both parties to look exactly the same?

I think you need to read what he said gooder.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

I think you need to read what he said gooder.

Let's see. GOP, pandering dickheads, lowest common denominator. I think I got it all. What I'm noticing about this thread is that it's everything you all disagree with that you say are losing us votes. So is the argument that we change our position just to gain votes? Isn't that exactly what the OP is suggesting liberals do?
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

You said MJ was the same as alcohol and cigarettes. It is not. The government is limiting the amount a person can buy.

Why would you bring up prescription medication or meth if we are talking about legal over the counter products?

No I didn't. I said it would be treated like alcohol or cigarettes, which even they are not treated exactly alike.

Are you unaware that psuedophedrine is an OTC? Are you unaware that there are other things that go into the manufacturing of meth that are completely legal yet restricted in the quantity that they can be sold in or that a person can possess?
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

There should be no quantity restrictions on anything that can be bought and sold. Oh, and prescription drugs should not exist. They should be able to be sold by whomever wants to sell them and open to whomever wants to buy them.

And we would have so many people dying from overdoses that it would be absolutely stupid and considered an epidemic, including young children since most parents wouldn't know any better.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

And we would have so many people dying from overdoses that it would be absolutely stupid and considered an epidemic, including young children since most parents wouldn't know any better.

A pillar of Libertarianism is that people aren't willfully ignorant.

For example, tobacco use has reduced dramatically without the need to outlaw tobacco. Simple public awareness often does the trick.

It's a fine line between "promoting the common good" and dictating lifestyles.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

I think this thread is built on a faulty premise. Outside of Colorado and Washington, I haven't seen any evidence that the Democrats, as a national party, are remotely interested in legalizing marijuana.

And I just read 41% of the attendees at CPAC (conservative republican convention over the weekend) were in favor of fully legalizing pot.

So yeah, pot isn't really a dem/repub issue. But politicians are too scared to do what makes sense and legalize it.

Edit: link to article that includes marijuana poll at cpac
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2014/0308/Rand-Paul-wins-big-in-CPAC-presidential-poll.-Can-he-take-it-to-2016
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

A new Pew Research survey seems to indicate that millenials, the age group from 18 to 33, tend to favor gay rights and marijuana legalization. and tend to vote for Democrats. I think it is highly likely that Democrats have embraced these two issues to drive a stake in the heart of the Republican party. Recall recently how Obama spoke in favor of marijuana legalization and came out in favor of gay rights.

Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out? - The Week

You are correct that a majority of Americans favor gay marriage and marijuana legalization. But the Republican Party is in no danger of dying out. I seen the same thing said about the Republican Party myself in 1974/5 and about the Democratic Party during Reagan's era or as many books put it, the Republican lock on the Presidency. Then there is history that goes back to the end of FDR and Truman, where Eisenhower was recruited the by the Republicans to run for president as it was feared way back then that the death of the Republican Party was at hand. \

Needless to stay, these two parties are still around. If it wouldn't be for the ACA, I would say you thoughts on the demise of the Republican Party might have more merit. It does seem being against the ACA is about the only issue where the Republicans have the majority of Americans on their side. If it were not for the ACA the House would have remained in Democratic Hands in 2010 and there would be no threat for the Republicans of taking over the senate this year. But the danger does remain that as far as the American electorate is concerned, they will vote Republican as long as the ACA remains in effect. Without it the Republicans seems to have little appeal outside of their solid base of around 25% of the electorate.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Let's see. GOP, pandering dickheads, lowest common denominator. I think I got it all. What I'm noticing about this thread is that it's everything you all disagree with that you say are losing us votes. So is the argument that we change our position just to gain votes? Isn't that exactly what the OP is suggesting liberals do?

Go back and read his post...carefully. Parse it word for word, and not just the ones that caught your attention. If you don't understand why I'm telling you to do this, read it again. And again, and again, and again, and for however many hundreds of times it takes until you get it.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Well, looks like some Democratic politicians might be finally getting the courage to advocate for legalization of pot!

Major shift: CA Democrats’ proposed platform plank calls for full legalization of pot - Politics Blog

With proponents arguing that it could put billions into state coffers and provide crucial jobs, California Democrats on Sunday will move to insert a plank in their party platform calling to “support the legalization, regulation and taxation of pot in a manner similar to that of tobacco or alcohol,” the Chronicle has learned.

The proposed platform change comes as 3,000 California Democrats met this weekend at a 3-day convention in Los Angeles, where they heard an appeal Saturday by Califonria Lt. Gov Gavin Newsom on the issue. The former San Francisco mayor argued to Democrats that — as with same sex marriage — the state should be leading, and not following, on a key issue which polls show now has gained marked support among Americans.

Newsom noted that while California lead the nation in 1996 in passing voter-approved Prop. 215 to support medical marijuana, it has now fallen behind other states, including Washington and Colorado, in moving to legalize the drug. He said that legalization would have a myriad of benefits that include boosting state revenue, diverting needed law enforcement resources and funding away from unnecessary incarceration.

“This is not a debate about stoners,” said Newsom. “You can be pro-regulation without being an advocate for drug use.”
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Isn't it interesting that it's the things you disagree with is what makes us all "dickheads". Lol. Is it that you want both parties to look exactly the same?

Let's be very clear: Simply disagreeing with me doesn't make someone a dickhead.

Wanting to treat an entire group of people as second-class citizens for arbitrary reasons, however, does make a person a dickhead. It's a simple equation. People who oppose gay rights? Dickheads. White supremacists? Dickheads. Anti-semites? Dickheads. Anti-Islamics? Dickheads. And so on and so forth.

People who oppose pot legalization? Misguided, sure, but not dickheads. People who oppose evolution in favor of creationism? Idiots, sure, but not dickheads.

As far as the two parties go, I'd like to see them obliterated and the whole system scrapped and rebuilt. Since that isn't going to happen, I'd love, love, LOVE to see total agreement on the social issues (i.e. stop legislating individual morality and support common ****ing sense) because then we could actually address real issues instead of wasting time with **** that will inevitably come to pass regardless of what people do now to delay it.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Let's see. GOP, pandering dickheads, lowest common denominator. I think I got it all. What I'm noticing about this thread is that it's everything you all disagree with that you say are losing us votes. So is the argument that we change our position just to gain votes? Isn't that exactly what the OP is suggesting liberals do?

You skipped the words "just as much". The lowest common denominator is, and always will be, the assholes who seek to create a second-class citizenry. Right now, that's the social conservatives. They've raped the intellect of the GOP so much that they have caused idiots to attain higher political power than they ever should have been able to attain.

Social conservatives shouldn't change their positions to get votes, they should change their positions because they are WRONG.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

You forget, in Alternate Universe GOP land, they are the big tent party. I've never seen a larger bunch of self-delusional people. It's like a cult.

The Republican Party has spent the last 50 years alienating blacks, Mexicans and women, and wonder why they're going down the toilet in demographics.

Mexicans are foreign nationals, under the law they aren't allowed to participate in our political system. Something to do with the rule of law.

But under the Democrat tent there is no rule of law and you can find the Mexican booth next to the former KKK booth now occupied by the SEIU which is just across from the bestiality activist booth.

BTW: At least the GOP has toilets, the Democrat's carnival still uses porto potties.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Let's be very clear: Simply disagreeing with me doesn't make someone a dickhead.

Wanting to treat an entire group of people as second-class citizens for arbitrary reasons, however, does make a person a dickhead. It's a simple equation. People who oppose gay rights? Dickheads. White supremacists? Dickheads. Anti-semites? Dickheads. Anti-Islamics? Dickheads. And so on and so forth.

People who oppose pot legalization? Misguided, sure, but not dickheads. People who oppose evolution in favor of creationism? Idiots, sure, but not dickheads.

As far as the two parties go, I'd like to see them obliterated and the whole system scrapped and rebuilt. Since that isn't going to happen, I'd love, love, LOVE to see total agreement on the social issues (i.e. stop legislating individual morality and support common ****ing sense) because then we could actually address real issues instead of wasting time with **** that will inevitably come to pass regardless of what people do now to delay it.

You are being very clear. I believe in a Creator, so that makes me (and everyone like me) an idiot (but it is wrong to be anti-Islamic because you're all tolerant like that :D).

All criminal laws "legislate individual morality", but I suppose that would be one way to eliminate crime, make it so nothing is illegal. Lol. I get you think it's only the right that tries to legislate it's own morality, but it's not. All legislation and laws are a way to get everyone to conform to a certain morality, whether they agree with it or not. Your vaunted Democrats are no different.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

You skipped the words "just as much". The lowest common denominator is, and always will be, the assholes who seek to create a second-class citizenry. Right now, that's the social conservatives. They've raped the intellect of the GOP so much that they have caused idiots to attain higher political power than they ever should have been able to attain.

Social conservatives shouldn't change their positions to get votes, they should change their positions because they are WRONG.

I think your last post to me indicated that my reading of what you wrote was quite accurate.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

These millenials (my generation) are being herded into colleges to get useless degrees, graduating with tens of thousands of dollars of debt, only to find that there are no good-paying jobs awaiting us, and you old fogies are still hung up on gays and pot.

Please, get over yourselves and help us out.

Help you out to do what? Choose a profession that pays something or where there are job openings?
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

You are being very clear. I believe in a Creator, so that makes me (and everyone like me) an idiot (but it is wrong to be anti-Islamic because you're all tolerant like that :D).

Believing in a creator =/= being an idiot. Believing that the earth is 5,000 years old and that the Creator would never use a mechanism like evolution to guide his creations = idiocy. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. Allowing one's desire for a 3,000 year old story to be true to have any affect science teaching today is a mind-numbingly stupid thing to do.

don't confuse my intolerance of stupidity with intolerance of religion. There are no religions in this world that have a requirement of stupidity. People make the choice to interpret their faiths stupidly, but that is their choice, and for them to blame their stupidity on their faith is disrespectful of religion.

All criminal laws "legislate individual morality", but I suppose that would be one way to eliminate crime, make it so nothing is illegal. Lol. I get you think it's only the right that tries to legislate it's own morality, but it's not. All legislation and laws are a way to get everyone to conform to a certain morality, whether they agree with it or not. Your vaunted Democrats are no different.

Not at all. Criminal laws are based on morality to a degree, yes, but they do not legislate morality if they are correctly formed. Laws about consumption of marijuana legislate individual morality because there is no protection of the people from harm of those who would break the law created by the law. Whereas murder laws act as a way to protect peopel form the harm caused by those who would break said law and punish those who break the law for harming others. this is based on teh moral principle of not harming others, so it is based on morality, but it's actual goal is to either prevent people from harming others or punish those who have harmed others.

Nobody is harmed if Billy buys some weed for himself. Thus the law is not protective.

Now, while I admire your attempt to create so obvious a strawman as pretending I am claiming that nothing should be illegal, it's fairly clear that only a fool would assume that legalizing marijuana = anarchy. Since you are not a fool, I must assume you were being facetious because you don't have an actual rebuttal to my point and in lieu of that, had to go whole hog down the path of pretending I said something totally different.
 
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I think your last post to me indicated that my reading of what you wrote was quite accurate.

Your reading was 100% wrong, as indicated by yourchoice to create false arguments to respond to while pretending they were mine. Had you read it correctly, you would not have said nonsense like "but I suppose that would be one way to eliminate crime, make it so nothing is illegal." or "I believe in a Creator, so that makes me (and everyone like me) an idiot". That nonsense, if you actually believe that it relates to what I said in any way shape or form, indicates you failed to understand what I wrote in every conceivable way.
 
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