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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Perhaps it's just that black persons tend to make less money on average, in part because a higher percentage receive welfare, compared to white persons (although how you define "white" and "black" apart from self-designation I don't know). At least, I think that's currently the case? Perhaps I'm wrong though.

    I think a better statement might be "people who make less than X receive money from people who make more than X". Even though that is not at all correct, since accuracy would dictate something more along the lines of "people who make more than X are required to give money to the government, which keeps some of it, wastes more of it, and gives the rest to people who make less than X".
    The bottom line is this, it's a distortion to put forward the notion that Democrats are taking money from whites and giving it to blacks.

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Ummm...yeah. Okay. This is "well-documented", for sure.

    The writings of one liberal pundit on HuffPost...dredging up a 1982 interview with Lee Atwater about "dog-whistles"...and then, somehow, in his own mind, this is connected to the 2012 Presidential campaign. I especially like Mr. Weiler's "interpretation" of that Gingrich quote. LOL!!

    Ahhh...got a suggestion for you and for Mr. Weiler: Stop looking for boogy-men. Most kids outgrow that kind of thing.
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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Ummm...yeah. Okay. This is "well-documented", for sure.

    The writings of one liberal pundit on HuffPost...dredging up a 1982 interview with Lee Atwater about "dog-whistles"...and then, somehow, in his own mind, this is connected to the 2012 Presidential campaign. I especially like Mr. Weiler's "interpretation" of that Gingrich quote. LOL!!

    Ahhh...got a suggestion for you and for Mr. Weiler: Stop looking for boogy-men. Most kids outgrow that kind of thing.
    The truth is that it's well documented. There's plenty of sources on it. I gave a link to a good book on it, if you don't like websites. I'm not going to sit here and write a research paper on it. I have given sufficient references. If you are really interested in the truth, go and research it. I did my part.

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

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    You are comparing apples and oranges here. Racial profiling is a known fact.
    The NYPD disproportionately stopped more white people than their presence in the population but ended up arresting more black people because black people in NY committed more crimes. It's hard to make a claim of racial profiling when the profiling results in fewer stops than should be the case.

    You can't come up with a case where a Democrat has taken money from a white person and given it to a black person because he is black.
    It's all over the place. Here are Federal Aid programs for Minority business owners. White business owners are excluded. The US Dept. of Justice is forcing all sorts of government agencies to lower standards in order to hire more black applicants. Here is a story about the Dayton Police Department having to lower test score thresholds in order to hire "qualified" black applicants, the upshot of which is that white applicants who are better qualified are passed over:

    The Dayton Police Department is lowering its testing standards for recruits.

    It’s a move required by the U.S. Department of Justice after it says not enough African-Americans passed the exam.

    Dayton is in desperate need of officers to replace dozens of retirees. The hiring process was postponed for months because the D.O.J. rejected the original scores provided by the Dayton Civil Service Board, which administers the test.

    Under the previous requirements, candidates had to get a 66% on part one of the exam and a 72% on part two.

    The D.O.J. approved new scoring policy only requires potential police officers to get a 58% and a 63%. That’s the equivalent of an ‘F’ and a ‘D’.

    “It becomes a safety issue for the people of our community,” said Dayton Fraternal Order of Police President, Randy Beane. “It becomes a safety issue to have an incompetent officer next to you in a life and death situation.


    Here is The US Dept. of Justice again doing it's magic, forcing a California bank to make risky mortgage loans to minorities because the banks was too professional and had too low of a default rate on its mortgage portfolio:

    Between 2006 and mid-2011, 5.2% of Luther's single-family residential mortgage loans went to African-Americans and Hispanics, compared to an average of 41.7% for other lenders in the area. The complaint doesn't cite evidence of intentional discrimination because there wasn't any.

    Luther Burbank might not have been in this business were it not for government. The bank was largely focused on multi-family mortgages until its regulator, the former Office of Thrift Supervision, asked the lender to diversify its portfolio in the mid-2000s. Luther Burbank then hired a team to do "nontraditional" loans such as interest-only or option adjustable-rate mortgages that the bank would keep on its own books. Yes, this is the same stuff that eventually blew up the housing market.

    Luther Burbank wasn't a fly-by-night operator that marketed those loans to any and all. The bank insisted on a minimum $400,000 loan amount and made loans with an average 680 FICO score and 67% loan-to-value. Over the period that Justice examined, Luther Burbank foreclosed on a mere 11 borrowers out of 629 loans outstanding—a loss ratio of 1.75%. In a normal world, Luther Burbank would get a medal from regulators for its risk management, having chosen borrowers even at the height of the housing mania who could meet their monthly payments.

    But Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Thomas Perez has a different priority: He wants banks to meet lending quotas to minorities—regardless of whether those borrowers can afford the loans. Many minority borrowers have low incomes that make them riskier lending bets. Is that a bank's fault?

    Luther Burbank admitted no guilt and said it settled to avoid costly litigation, which makes sense for a small, local lender that has to worry about its reputational risk. The bank has agreed to ratchet down its minimum loan to $20,000 and will now commit $2.2 million to a "special financing program" for "qualified borrowers," payouts for local community groups, and "consumer education programs." Justice has the final say on who gets that money.

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The truth is that it's well documented. There's plenty of sources on it. I gave a link to a good book on it, if you don't like websites. I'm not going to sit here and write a research paper on it. I have given sufficient references. If you are really interested in the truth, go and research it. I did my part.
    Well, the fact is I don't give a whole lot of credence to your "dog-whistle" fantasies even if they are as "well documented" by Mr. Weiler as you say. So, if you don't mind, I'll decline to give your contentions about what those Republican strategists are doing much further thought.
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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The truth is that it's well documented. There's plenty of sources on it. I gave a link to a good book on it, if you don't like websites. I'm not going to sit here and write a research paper on it. I have given sufficient references. If you are really interested in the truth, go and research it. I did my part.
    It's well documented if you're predisposed to believe it. It's not so persuasive under critical scrutiny. In short, it's handy and comfortable affirmation for long-held views.
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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The bottom line is this, it's a distortion to put forward the notion that Democrats are taking money from whites and giving it to blacks.
    Exactly.
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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Since Repubs seem poised for a smashing victory in 2014 I'd say reports of their demise may be exaggerated.

    What FL-13 Could Mean for Democrats - Charlie Cook, Cook Political Report
    the special election Fl. race doesn't mean repubs are roaring back. The repub won with a very narrow margin, narrower than in past years.

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Welfare Demographics
    Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
    Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %
    Percent of recipients who are Hispanic 15.7 %
    Percent of recipients who are Asian 2.4 %
    Percent of recipients who are Other 3.3 %

    Welfare Statistics | Statistic Brain

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    the special election Fl. race doesn't mean repubs are roaring back. The repub won with a very narrow margin, narrower than in past years.
    I suggest you read the link.
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