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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    "Sin taxes" are a completely different beast than taxes on say capital gains. They are prohibitively high in order to decrease usage. Taxes are around 100% or more than the cost of the product. They are also on non-essential products.
    No kidding. You mean the more you tax something the less of that something you'll get? Knock me over with a feather. Increase taxes on cigarettes and you get less smoking. Increase taxes on capital gains and you get less taxable transactions. Increase taxes on income from work and you get less work.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    No kidding. You mean the more you tax something the less of that something you'll get? Knock me over with a feather. Increase taxes on cigarettes and you get less smoking. Increase taxes on capital gains and you get less taxable transactions. Increase taxes on income from work and you get less work.
    So....you think that someone will "hold back" and would rather make 100 bucks at a 30% tax rate for 70 bucks after taxes than 200 bucks at a 30% tax rate for 140 bucks in after tax income?

    I'm not sure how that's even comparable to a 100%+ tax on a product that provides a whole host of downsides on usage.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So....you think that someone will "hold back" and would rather make 100 bucks at a 30% tax rate for 70 bucks after taxes than 200 bucks at a 30% tax rate for 140 bucks in after tax income?
    You said so yourself - taxes affect behavior. Not every smoker stops smoking when faced with a tax increase, but those on the margin certainly do. Increase the taxes even more and the margin moves inward, leading to more smokers giving up the habit.

    People have time use alternatives to work - there is leisure, there is family time, there is idle time.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    You said so yourself - taxes affect behavior. Not every smoker stops smoking when faced with a tax increase, but those on the margin certainly do. Increase the taxes even more and the margin moves inward, leading to more smokers giving up the habit.

    People have time use alternatives to work - there is leisure, there is family time, there is idle time.
    Sure, taxes affect behavior and people can use their time other than to work.

    I don't agree with you when you simplify it to the extent you are.

    Take for example the idea that you could spend your time in leisure rather than work.

    Already you have to ask does the person already make enough to live on? Do they already have a decent amount of disposable income? You'll have to raise taxes a lot before you change the behavior for individuals that can't cross those off.

    Then lets take for example the person that has both covered. They are probably not an hourly worker. If you're flipping burgers (which of course is not in a position to have take more leisure time) you can reduce hours pretty easily. If you're say an accountant at a firm you can't quit the day in the middle of tax returns that have a deadline and say "well....due to increases in income tax I'm now only making 60 cents per dollar rather than 65 cents. I'm going to cut out early". That goes for a host of other jobs that typically employ people that are in a position to reduce their work hours.
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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    They go to the party which is racist as indicated by advocating for race-based policies. Republicans seem to have settled on the strategy of letting the Democrats be the racist party and the Republicans remaining the race-neutral party.
    They go to the party that brainwashes them to believe Democrats are taking white people's money and giving it to black people. The reality is that both parties are engaged in taking both white and black folks money and giving to that Wall Street crowd.

    Democrats giving white people's money to black people!!! WOW!!!! That's a good one!!!!

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Maybe, maybe not. But I don't think for a second that means we are in for an extended period of Democrat dominance. There will always be two major parties.
    The Democrats will throw some interceptions, fumble the ball, and the Republicans will stay in the game.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure, taxes affect behavior and people can use their time other than to work.

    I don't agree with you when you simplify it to the extent you are.

    Already you have to ask does the person already make enough to live on?
    Step back and look at what you're doing here. You're not arguing from a principle towards a conclusion, you're arguing from a desired conclusion and trying to find ways to justify that conclusion.

    You're pointing to people making enough to live, but we have a progressive tax system and we have income supports for working people, so a marginal tax increase doesn't affect these people AT ALL. Those who are affected are far higher up the income ladder. You have to look at the margin. Why would taxes NOT affect people on the margin? It doesn't have to be everyone, just like not every smoker quits when the sin taxes are increased.

    You trying to devise ad hoc reasoning to support your position of higher tax rates not affecting behavior is going to be a fruitless task. The principle holds true everywhere, just the sensitivity of response changes.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    They days of Republicans blaming black folks for white folks problems are coming to an end.

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    A new Pew Research survey seems to indicate that millenials, the age group from 18 to 33, tend to favor gay rights and marijuana legalization. and tend to vote for Democrats. I think it is highly likely that Democrats have embraced these two issues to drive a stake in the heart of the Republican party. Recall recently how Obama spoke in favor of marijuana legalization and came out in favor of gay rights.

    Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out? - The Week
    Since Repubs seem poised for a smashing victory in 2014 I'd say reports of their demise may be exaggerated.

    What FL-13 Could Mean for Democrats - Charlie Cook, Cook Political Report
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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Since Repubs seem poised for a smashing victory in 2014 I'd say reports of their demise may be exaggerated.

    What FL-13 Could Mean for Democrats - Charlie Cook, Cook Political Report
    Like I said, the Democrats will throw some interceptions, fumble the ball and the Republicans will be right back in the game. However, over the long run, Republicans have something to worry about, if they don't stick with the ideas of true conservatism, and stop blaming black folks for white folks problems.

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