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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    so you are totally ok with same sex marriage? It's natural for people to associate - sometimes those people are same sex - and therefore they have a natural right to marry, correct?

    I had the impression you weren't for it... I could be wrong.
    as a libertarian, no i have no problem with people being together..marriage.

    the problem i have is when people try to use the power of government to force their existence of their association on other people.

    rights have no power of force behind them to make other people do anything, you don't have a right food, housing, shelter, ...because they must be created, therefore no one can assert a right to take from someone who has created those things.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    It is a natural thing for a human or animal to do. It's not a right

    People, coming together in an organized way, can then say if the girl kills the man, she had the right to do that out of self-defense; but nature doesn't grant rights. There is no "natural" right. They could just as easily put a law in that you can't kill someone even in self-defense.
    you need to rephrase this better.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Yes, they come out of thin air when wished.

    Because unsecured rights are meaningless or put another way they do not exist.

    Reality check, 1 2 3

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The default position among conservatives seems to be that the GOP takes the policy positions it does because values, America, and common sense, and the Democratic Party takes its positions simply to pander to the shiftless poors.
    Given that the Democrat Party is the one responsible for most of the discrimination and disenfranchisement in the past, they should be responsible for the solutions to correct them.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    because it is in the nature of man to form associations.

    i have the ability to form an association, however human nature makes us form associations.
    What does that have to do with the theory of natural rights?
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What does that have to do with the theory of natural rights?

    please read this link and tell me what you think.....

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    as a libertarian, no i have no problem with people being together..marriage.

    the problem i have is when people try to use the power of government to force their existence of their association on other people.

    rights have no power of force behind them to make other people do anything, you don't have a right food, housing, shelter, ...because they must be created, therefore no one can assert a right to take from someone who has created those things.
    seriously, dude, you're making no sense. If self-defense (in YOUR opinion) is a "natural right" how can food and shelter not be a "natural right"?

    Why am I bothering?

    Ok, stopping now. Again.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    seriously, dude, you're making no sense. If self-defense (in YOUR opinion) is a "natural right" how can food and shelter not be a "natural right"?

    Why am I bothering?

    Ok, stopping now. Again.


    force the existence of associations on people........mandated education, which instructs people that homosexual association is normal......that is not a duty of government, whether its normal or whether its not.

    government has no authority to apply force to people

    it is the natural right to obtain these things [food water shelter], but it is no right to have them at the expense of others..


    ...because they must be created, therefore no one can assert a right to take from someone who has created those things.

    you have no right to my time or labor.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Given that the Democrat Party is the one responsible for most of the discrimination and disenfranchisement in the past, they should be responsible for the solutions to correct them.
    ...well, for starters, they got rid of the southern conservatives that were the culprits of your assertion.... akin to firing the responsible party.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This is why the GOP faces issues.

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    How do win over people that vote for that?
    Yes, one Democrat who sucks at math is somehow indicative of ... Something. I dunno.

    I've never seen a bigger gaggle of partisans cherry-pick so much in am attempt to demonize an entire electorate.
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