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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

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    rights are always exist, rights are being suppressed in many areas of the world.
    Rights are a human construct and only exist to the extent they are recognized and protected.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

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    Rights are a human construct and only exist to the extent they are recognized and protected.
    no...... rights exist without government

    we only institute government to secure rights.

    we would not need government if everyone respected the natural rights the rights of each other

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

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    NO. You cite physical abilities that beings have - be they humans or animals - and then you extrapolate rights from the existence of those abilities.
    is their a human need [nature] to be with other people?.......or it is just an ability.

    i have the ability to be with other people, however is in the nature of man to be among other people thru association.....man is not a solitary creature.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

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    is their a human need [nature] to be with other people?.......or it is just an ability.

    i have the ability to be with other people, however is in the nature of man to be among other people thru association.....man is not a solitary creature.
    what does that have to do with the concept of natural rights?
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

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    what does that have to do with the concept of natural rights?
    because it is the nature of man to need man....an association......its not an ability

    right to association

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    because it is the nature of man to need man....an association......its not an ability

    right to association
    I do not follow you. So people want to be with other people.... at least many do. People have done that all throughout history all over the world regardless of any right they may have held or not held. What does that have to do with the idea of natural rights?
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no...... rights exist without government
    Yes, they come out of thin air when wished.

    we only institute government to secure rights.
    Because unsecured rights are meaningless or put another way they do not exist.

    we would not need government if everyone respected the natural rights the rights of each other
    Reality check, 1 2 3

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no its in human nature to protect one's self.

    a 100 lb girl, being rapped by the 300lb man, is not going to have the ability to stop him [she knows that], however she was going to use her natural defense to kick, scream scratch, and bite, to try to stop the attacker any way.

    natural rights come from nature.
    It is a natural thing for a human or animal to do. It's not a right

    People, coming together in an organized way, can then say if the girl kills the man, she had the right to do that out of self-defense; but nature doesn't grant rights. There is no "natural" right. They could just as easily put a law in that you can't kill someone even in self-defense.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    because it is the nature of man to need man....an association......its not an ability

    right to association
    so you are totally ok with same sex marriage? It's natural for people to associate - sometimes those people are same sex - and therefore they have a natural right to marry, correct?

    I had the impression you weren't for it... I could be wrong.

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

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    Surely you must realize that your request is impossible to fulfill. For better or worse, for right or wrong, there is a faction of people in the GOP who simply are very racially conservative and they see the party as representing those conservative racial interests.
    Whoa, whoa, whoa there.

    Are a rainfilled pothole and a filled swimming pool of the same nature? There is no design to a pothole, the water that filled it found it's way into the pothole by chance. A swimming pool was filled by conscious choice.

    Similarly, the Democratic Party has made a conscious choice to implement racist policies designed to appeal to blacks and to Hispanics. The Republican Party has NO POLICIES designed to appeal strictly to white people. The fact that whites are, more and more, congregating within the Republican Party is not due to any conscious decision in the Party's platform. This being the case there are NO conservative racial interests OTHER THAN opposing the racial interests which are furthered by the Democratic Party. A race-neutral Republican Party is opposed to a racist Democratic Party.

    Your scenario is a complete inversion of reality. You posit that being race neutral is a sign of racism and that actual race-based policies which exclude people of the wrong race are not racist.

    And if that results in basically a white persons party - with a large share of that being a white males party - that is simply the result of both the constituency of the party as well as the policies they will support and back which in turn attract more of those same people. Its a cycle with no ind or change in sight.
    That's a pretty good assessment. The process will continue to unfold. Back before we embarked on this cancerous multiculturalist experiment, the white vote was split pretty evenly between Democrats and Republicans. As Democrats sought to extract more wealth from white people and redistribute it to minorities, that set in motion a slow trickle of whites away from the Democrats and towards the Republicans. In 2012, Republicans won the white male vote, the white female vote, the white youth vote. We're heading towards a very dangerous future - the mixing of racial groups and political blocs can very explosive.

    It seems foolish for GOP spokespersons to say that they have to attract decent numbers of minorities while at the same time having no policies which would attract minorities in any number beyond the mere token or two. It simply does not work that way.
    You're right, it is foolish. The party leadership has been infected by liberal values. Somehow they believe that legitimacy arises from having a multiracial constituency. Do the Democrats feel the same? Not likely, they're not dismantling their race-based policies in order to win back the votes of white males.

    Secondly, the GOP spokesmen that you're referring to really are in a bind. There's no way that they can out-racist the Democrats in terms of offering up a racial spoils system and any effort to introduce race-based policies which would appeal to minorities is going to seriously piss-off the race-neutral core constituency of the GOP, both on a values level and on a "Whose hide is the benefit going to be cut from?" level.

    Republicans cannot make their party more attractive to minorities without making it less attractive to many of the people who already see it as their party of choice. Its a catch 22 for them and with demographic projections it only spells disaster for them unless they can find a way out.
    You do realize that every coin has two sides, don't you? As more whites flee from the Democrats, the Republicans become a whiter party and the Democrats become a browner party. The issue in play here is the slope of the lines, which party gains voters more quickly. At the moment it looks like Democrats have an upper hand. That can change in the blink of an eye if the Democrats overplay their racist policies and alienate their white supporters.

    And of course they have found a way out...... its called voter suppression of those who will not vote for you.
    Disallowing Democrats to cart dead people to polling booths is not voter suppression. Give me a break. Even freaking UN election monitors are befuddled by the Democrats insistence on enabling voter fraud. Every other Western democratic nation has very rigid ID and voter qualification criteria. Showing up to vote without ID is unheard of. Silly foreigners, expecting honest elections in the US is simply them imposing their values on us.

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