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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Any rate, I really appreciate this discussion concerning rights. I will come back to it later.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It cannot be demonstrated with empirical means that such a thing as a right exists. All we can say, empirically speaking, is that you are constrained to act by the resources at your disposal, and by others who can and want to constrain your activities.

    What we can do is assume that such rights exist. Indeed this is what the founders meant when they said we hold these truths to be self evident. It means they were assuming certain things to be true. They were not going to try to prove that men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.


    you have many many rights, those which are not enumerated by the constitution, ..fall under the 9th amendment.

    your rights should ONLY be curtailed, when you violate the rights of other people, or cause a health and saftey risk to the public.

    if neither one of those actions takes places, then who is the victim, of you exercising your rights.....you have to have a victim, for things to be unlawful.


    the founders were making the point that your rights don't come from man but instead a higher power....." because no man has the power to give another man a right".........no man is higher than another man.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    This is breaking news?
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the correct word is unalienable........not inalienable.


    "Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred." Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1523:

    Inalienable rights: Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights. Morrison v. State, Mo. App., 252 S.W.2d 97, 101.
    So in your opinion then - your position is nobody can buy your rights?
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So in your opinion then - your position is nobody can buy your rights?
    i explained the difference between the ....two.

    our declaration of independence states "unalienable"

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i explained the difference between the ....two.

    our declaration of independence states "unalienable"
    then you should read this

    Unalienable / Inalienable

    Unalienable / Inalienable


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    The question is often asked, "Is the word in the Declaration of Independence unalienable or is it inalienable?"

    The final version of the Declaration uses the word "unalienable." Some earlier drafts used the word "inalienable," which is the term our modern dictionaries prefer. The two words mean precisely the same thing.

    According to The American Heritage Guide to Contemporary Usage and Style from Houghton Mifflin Company:

    The unalienable rights that are mentioned in the Declaration of Independence could just as well have been inalienable, which means the same thing. Inalienable or unalienable refers to that which cannot be given away or taken away.
    There is no difference.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    then you should read this

    Unalienable / Inalienable



    There is no difference.

    i am well aware of this site you posted..........try mine


    Unalienable Rights Defined

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am well aware of this site you posted..........try mine


    Unalienable Rights Defined
    Jefferson used the two terms interchangeably and they clearly met the same thing as the evidice I provided clearly states. At that time in history, they were simply different forms of the same meaning.

    Your site says this right at the start

    2. Things which are not in commerce, as public roads, are in their nature unalienable. Some things are unalienable, in consequence of particular provisions in the law forbidding their sale or transfer, as pensions granted by the government. The natural rights of life and liberty are UNALIENABLE. Bouviers Law Dictionary 1856 Edition

    "Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred." Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1523:

    You can not surrender, sell or transfer unalienable rights, they are a gift from the creator to the individual and can not under any circumstances be surrendered or taken. All individual's have unalienable rights.


    With the mention that they come from the creator - we again wander into the realm of religious belief with supernatural spirits dispensing rights from high above like so much Halloween candy given to toddlers in colorful costumes every October 31.

    In the real world we live in, rights can indeed be taken away and have been done so throughout history.

    Statements of religious belief are no good when reality contradicts them.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    State Constitutions use the terms, indefeasible or inalienable; and could be considered interchangeable; unless we need to quibble.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Jefferson used the two terms interchangeably and they clearly met the same thing as the evidice I provided clearly states. At that time in history, they were simply different forms of the same meaning.

    Your site says this right at the start



    With the mention that they come from the creator - we again wander into the realm of religious belief with supernatural spirits dispensing rights from high above like so much Halloween candy given to toddlers in colorful costumes every October 31.

    In the real world we live in, rights can indeed be taken away and have been done so throughout history.

    Statements of religious belief are no good when reality contradicts them.
    i don't know why this discussion is really transpiring.

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