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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My position on rights is very clear and is stated in this very thread earlier today. Rights come from the will of the people who want a specific behavior recognized by the government as a right.
    Then basically just tyranny of the majority. Ok then.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then basically just tyranny of the majority. Ok then.
    Where you get that from is a mystery to me as nobody has mentioned anything tyrannical.

    Oh wait - I see what you did... you used the all purpose right wing meme to disparage majority rule not realizing that in doing so you clearly imply that tyranny of the minority is far more acceptable. Got it.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    That is the very first time I have ever heard someone call Obama a conservative....did you just make that up?
    You really should catch some of the comments made here. He's a conservative. He's a neo-con. He's anything but a leftist. I hear it most commonly from "very liberal" folks.

    Its amazing.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    In other words, no response. SHOCKING.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So your stance is that promoting actual personal responsibility = weak leader.
    Silly boy, not at all. But "promoting personal responsibility" is not all that is needed to be a strong leader.

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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    1. No one has a "right" to be gay.
    2. Phil Robertson aka Duck Commander got into a bit of a flap about this very thing.

    As it has always been to some degree the entire country has a bad case of "Small Town Syndrome". The advent of the Internet and all the social media sites that followed only hyper-inflated this. To quote an old Hank Williams song "Mind your own business.....You've got to mind your own business....if you mind your own business than you won't be minding mine...."


    This agenda to force different groups of people together, tolerance, diversity, all inclusive multiculturalism has been the greatest single detriment to the community -- great and small that has ever been known to man.

    We're always going to be divisive. We're always going to be fractional and factional, the difference in where the ability to decide social issues lies is that when given back to the States what should be theirs to decide you'll stem the creeping isolationism which is what will end up really tearing this country apart...
    I think that letting states decide things like slavery is just as bad as forcing people who don't want to be around each other to live together.

    It's possible to have a nation of various people from different ethnic and cultural backgrounds if the leadership of the nation placed emphasis on things like truthfulness, respect for others, cleanliness, discipline, knowledge and mercy. That's the big problem. First and foremost we have become a nation of liars. And it starts with the leadership. In politics, lying has become an art form. Where deceit dwells, hubris becomes prominent. And from hubris, people start to value the wrong qualities in men. We worship and put people on pedestals who are violent, thieves, arrogant, devoid of knowledge, addicted to various forms of vice, cruel, and constantly engaged in cheating. That's what is tearing this country, and indeed the world down.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    tyranny of the majority.
    Oxymoron.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What do you mean INALIENABLE?
    the correct word is unalienable........not inalienable.


    "Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred." Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1523:

    Inalienable rights: Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights. Morrison v. State, Mo. App., 252 S.W.2d 97, 101.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The people who write the constitution specify how the government can restrict the rights of people. Therefore it is not incorrect to say that the rights come from the people who write the constitution. They are people with a particular type of power than can, through the activity of government, restrict the rights of citizens.

    the constitution is a limiting document, limiting the power of government, it does not limit people at all.......the bill of rights, are not rights.........they are declaratory and restrictive clauses placed on government, that they shall not violate the rights of the people...rights are "recognized" by the constitution, they are not granted by the constitution.

    the constitution, again does not limit the people AT ALL.............why would anyone write a document to limit themselves.

    show me where in the Constitution government has power over the people to direct there actions or restrict them.


    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    First of all the Federalist papers are not law. Again the constitution was amended to abolish the practice of slavery in the United States. The rights of US citizens to own slaves was restricted by that amendment.
    what does this have to do with anything, the 14th amendment is aimed squarely at government, not the people, the amendment states" "no state shall"..

    no where in the constitutions is the federal government given authority over the life's of the people........the constitution spells out who the federal government can punish.......and there are only 4 classes of people.

    the federalist papers are written by 3 men who were at the Constitutional convention, the one i referenced was written by Madison, the father of the constitution, and federalist 46 explains the constitution.


    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Wesley Snipes tried to say that the government had no right to take taxes from him. He ended up in prison.
    the 16th is constitutional law............you cant challenge the constitutionality of the Constitution

    since it is constitutional law, the federal government can make all federal laws which concern taxation, and punish tax cheats.



    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I can say I have the right to own slaves, but it's meaningless because the Constitution says I can't in the United States. I can say the government has no right extract income tax from me, but it's meaningless because if I don't pay, I will be penalized.
    the constitution is aimed at government, not the people, for a person to own a slave is a CRIME, for a government to sanction slavery is a constitutional violation..

    income tax is legal because it is constitutional law......this means the federal government can make all federal laws concerning taxation.........if you cheat on your tax, ....its a federal crime.........not a constitutional violation

    a Citizen.......cannot violate the Constitution of the U.S.........because the constitution does not address citizens..........if a person violates another persons rights...........it is a CRIME.......criminal law......not constitutional law.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the correct word is unalienable........not inalienable.


    "Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred." Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1523:

    Inalienable rights: Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights. Morrison v. State, Mo. App., 252 S.W.2d 97, 101.
    It cannot be demonstrated with empirical means that such a thing as a right exists. All we can say, empirically speaking, is that you are constrained to act by the resources at your disposal, and by others who can and want to constrain your activities.

    What we can do is assume that such rights exist. Indeed this is what the founders meant when they said we hold these truths to be self evident. It means they were assuming certain things to be true. They were not going to try to prove that men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.

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