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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That is what the founders believed.

    What I'm wondering is whether a higher power needs to be involved at all - if you found out tomorrow that no higher powers existed or had ever existed, would you decide you no longer had a right to live, be free, and pursue happiness?
    no, because i am equal on par with other human beings, and they have no authority to decide my life liberty or ......pursuit of happiness..which translates into [property].

    notice the founders stated laws of nature "nature's god"........this is subjective to.... to mean, we are part of nature itself.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    They did no such thing. They determined what limitations on our natural rights would be allowable under our social contract and what limitations on those rights the government would be forbidden from placing.

    The founders and the constitution did not CREATE Freedom of Speech. To suggest they did would mean that if this country was disolved and anarchy ruled that a person could not say whatever they wish...which is patentedly untrue.

    Rather, the 1st amendment establishes a limit to how much the government can infringe upon said right by stating the Government can create no law prohibiting the free exercise of it.

    Whether you want to believe a "Natural" right is one granted by "God" or is simply a symptom of existing within nature is entirely your choice...but rights as you're speaking in this case are not created by man, but are naturally innate to man.

    It is through a social contract that we LIMIT our rights in exchange for societal benefits or through which we create societal rights/privledges related to that social contract.

    But one does not need a society or a social contract to speak, to believe, to defend themselves, to live....those are innately the ability of man in nature. They are natural rights.

    I have no idea what you mean by "natural rights". Without a organized community, the concept of "rights" is meaningless. If our society dissolved and nothing replaced it, we could murder, steal, speak, walk around naked, and there would be no penalties. But nature doesn't give anyone or any animal "rights". Nature just is. It's only under the aegis of an organized society that we have "rights".

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Can you prove the existence of this social contract? Unlike natural rights that can easily be support by reason, there is no such thing possible with the idea of a social contract.
    You have it backwards. Reason led to the Constitution which is the social contract we run our nation by.

    There are no rights that nature "grants". You can do what you will without any social contract (unless someone objects and kills you) but that doesn't make that a "right" granted by "nature"

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    the founders actually took out religion reference from the declaration of independence.


    we hold these truths to be "sacred and undeniable" was the first wording, ....however it was change because it was thought to be religious.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    incorrect, and you even got a like from haymarket, and he professes to know law.

    the constitution 19th states you cannot be denied the vote on account of sex.....it does not give a right.

    ooops sorry typed the wrong number.

    I did not have the right to vote in this country until the amendment passed. It passed, I have the right to vote.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    You have it backwards. Reason led to the Constitution which is the social contract we run our nation by.

    There are no rights that nature "grants". You can do what you will without any social contract (unless someone objects and kills you) but that doesn't make that a "right" granted by "nature"
    what social contract would that be, since the constitution does not pertain the the people.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what social contract would that be, since the constitution does not pertain the the people.
    Ernst, I give up. Talking to you is less productive than talking to a barn door. No point in doing it anymore.

    I hope you enjoy your day.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    ooops sorry typed the wrong number.

    I did not have the right to vote in this country until the amendment passed. It passed, I have the right to vote.
    if you read the wording, it states you cannot be denied the vote.......because of sex.

    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Ernst, I give up. Talking to you is less productive than talking to a barn door. No point in doing it anymore.

    I hope you enjoy your day.
    please ....show me where the constitution pertains to the people.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    The part where it says, We the People.

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