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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

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    And how would it be reasonable to restrain the rights of man to the creation of a state or to those of a certain land?
    What rights of man?
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    20th amendment? women got the right to vote...
    incorrect, and you even got a like from haymarket, and he professes to know law.

    the constitution 19th states you cannot be denied the vote on account of sex.....it does not give a right.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Regardless if you call it a social contract..... or the law ... or the rules of the game ... or just the way things are .... you are an adult and you know darn well what the deal is every day you get up and live here as a US Citizen. And you stay just the same making a free choice every day of your life. You might as well have signed a real parchment contract in blood cause its the same damn thing just the same.
    If this social contract existed than evidence of this contract would need to be presented to a court of law in order for them to enforce it legally. There is no evidence such a contract exists, nor a reason to suggest that such a contract is reasonable to assume is established on our birth or creation.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    It is also natural to walk around naked but that too is irrelevant. Nature has not changed yet people did not have all those rights, no matter how natural it felt.
    you have many rights, so many you do not even think of them as being rights.

    liberty consist of you being able to anything you can imagine , as long as they do not violate............... the rights of other people or threaten the health and saftey of the public.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    speaking isn't a right. It's an ability
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What rights of man?
    That is a rather unimportant matter to where this conversion is headed. You will need to tell me why it is reasonable to assume the state establishes the rights of man. I believe I have said more than enough to explain myself, but you have yet to explain how it is logical to argue that rights come from an organization of force.
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    Re: Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    A new Pew Research survey seems to indicate that millenials, the age group from 18 to 33, tend to favor gay rights and marijuana legalization. and tend to vote for Democrats. I think it is highly likely that Democrats have embraced these two issues to drive a stake in the heart of the Republican party. Recall recently how Obama spoke in favor of marijuana legalization and came out in favor of gay rights.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    since you are asking me this question again, it seems i do not do a good job in explaining your question before.

    i will be clearer this time.

    first,... i am NOT speaking about rights, from a biblical prospective, and am speaking about rights of the prospective of ...U.S. LAW...........NOT laws of foreign governments.

    THE FUNDAMENTAL OR ORGANIC LAWS OF THE U.S.

    The Organic Laws of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the General and Permanent Laws of the United States. U.S. Code defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.

    MAKING the Declaration of Independence ----------->LAW.

    our Declaration of Independence states rights are endowed meaning they come from a higher power, ...why the higher power?.......to signify rights DO NOT come from man , but from something HIGHER, therefore not in mans power to give OR take away.

    from this statement of the Declaration of Independence, that law has NEVER BEEN VIOLATED, .......THE U.S. CONGRESS has never created a right in its entire history.

    the u.s. constitution with its bill of rights, does NOT has NOT given or ever granted a rights to it citizens.

    our bill of rights RECOGNIZES RIGHTS ONLY, and they are enumerated, our bill of rights with its clauses........are declaratory and restrictive clause places on the federal government, that it shall make no laws, violating the recognized rights which are enumerated [ this can be found in reading the preamble to the bill of rights], .....all other rights which are not enumerated by the constitution, fall under the 9th amendment.

    rights like the right to vote are not listed in the bill of rights,.....that right was recognized by the USSC.......the judicial branch of our government, not its legislative branch.

    the u.s. was not created has a democracy, the people were NOT given absolute power to do as they will, [majority rule], america was created as a federal republic, with a constitution, making it a republican form of government NOT democratic form, with RULE OF LAW.
    I actually knew most if not all of that. But interesting recap.

    My issue is with the "higher power" bit. It may be that we have inherent rights, but why can't they just be an inseparable (although infringeable) part of us? Why does a higher power need to be involved?
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I actually knew most if not all of that. But interesting recap.

    My issue is with the "higher power" bit. It may be that we have inherent rights, but why can't they just be an inseparable (although infringeable) part of us? Why does a higher power need to be involved?
    when the founders create the DOI, they stated" ENDOWED BY THE CREATOR".

    notice they did not say "GOD"..THEY LEFT THE WORDING SUBJECTIVE TO THE READER TO MAKE UP THERE OWN MIND......


    LOOK WHAT ELSE THEY SAY.

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when the founders create the DOI, they stated" ENDOWED BY THE CREATOR".

    notice they did not say "GOD"..THEY LEFT THE WORDING SUBJECTIVE TO THE READER TO MAKE UP THERE OWN MIND......


    LOOK WHAT ELSE THEY SAY.

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
    That is what the founders believed.

    What I'm wondering is whether a higher power needs to be involved at all - if you found out tomorrow that no higher powers existed or had ever existed, would you decide you no longer had a right to live, be free, and pursue happiness?



    Edit: Although, in a way, I suppose "believed by many to be true" could count as a form of "higher power"? I dunno.
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