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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Because democrats are only interested in government power.
    You do realize that one of the biggest periods of growth in government power was during 43's presidency.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you cannot remove a right....because the bill of rights does not give any right......the bill of rights are a restriction placed on the federal government [ this from the bill of rights preamble]
    You cannot remove (or create) a natural right.

    You can RESTRICT a natural right or define a method in which to more narrowly utilize a natural right, which essentially removes or creates a societal right.

    There is no natural right to "Vote". Rather, voting is a societal right created by restricting the natural right of choice into a narrow and orderly construct.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You cannot remove (or create) a natural right.

    You can RESTRICT a natural right or define a method in which to more narrowly utilize a natural right, which essentially removes or creates a societal right.

    There is no natural right to "Vote". Rather, voting is a societal right created by restricting the natural right of choice into a narrow and orderly construct.
    rights can be curtailed, if you violate law.

    the right to vote, was recognized by the court.......not congress.....the founders did not state a right to vote existed......to the founders voting was a privilege.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    As far as the republican party "dying out", I can't imagine a scenario that would account for vested interests abandoning the vehicle through which they maintain economic power. Some of the details of the message may shift in order to continue to have enough influence to maintain economic policy, but money is power, and people with loads of the stuff will find ways to ensure they can contunue making policies that ensure they can make more.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

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    the Constitution is supreme law, and no law is higher.....no federal law can override constitutional law.

    federal laws cannot make rights.

    federal laws can create privileges, but not rights.
    Well there's the problem...

    The reality is that right and privlege can be synonyms depending on how they are used. A privledge is simply a right granted to a certain group or person.

    By definition, a legal entitlement can be declared a "right". "Right" is used as such in common vernacular. Whlie people can stamp their feet and go "no no no, that's not correct", being obstinent to reality doesn't really change reality.

    All you're basically doing is arguing a symantics game.

    Even more so as it relates to me, whose even establishing a distinctive and testable difference between what is a "Natural" right and what is a "Societal" right. A societal right could absolutely be thought of as a privledge as well. However I would personally not call them a privledge becuase of the implication in the two words.

    For my own views, a societal right is one that, based on the laws of the society, is assumed to be gauranteed to you simply for being a part of said society (so long as that society still is in working order). While the law can futher restrict it, you GAIN that right simply for being a part of the society.

    A privledge, meanwhile, would be something that is given to people within a society if they meet certain criteria and come with known and laid out strings attached. You don't get a privledge simply for being a part of society, but based through those additional actions.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The thing that get's me about most conservatives is that they make a big deal about fiscal responsibility, but then they are willing to spend to high heaven making war around the world. Some of them seem to have never seen a war they don't like.

    BTW, Ronald Reagan ran up very large deficits. He was famously criticized by then presidential candidate George H. W. Bush for his policy of increasing military spending while at the same time reducing taxes. Bush, the Father, called it "voodoo economics".
    Maggie! Reagan tripled the ND and Bush 43 doubled it. Both parties are guilty of this and so many other problems, singling out one is very partisan.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    The Republican party has been dying out for the last decade. I suspect, however, that they will evolve, probably drop their activist right-wing social agenda and will probably become viable again. Unless they do this, kick the right-wing nuts out the door and focus on becoming more like the Goldwater fiscally conservative party, they are history.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the Constitution is supreme law, and no law is higher.....no federal law can override constitutional law.

    federal laws cannot make rights.

    federal laws can create privileges, but not rights.
    What was said is that the right came from the persons who wrote the Constitution and I think that is a correct statement. Because persons in a position to write laws that are enforced through the threat or application of various forms of coercion and are in general followed by a group of persons, the persons writing the laws can restrict rights. When a right is restricted, the persons who are restricted, practically speaking, don't have the right. Therefore the right, in a practical sense, comes from the persons writing the laws, in this case the Constitution.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Lazy, gay, Kardashian-obsessed, entitled pot smokers.

    Yep, that pretty much sums up America's youth and the Democratic party.

    It's also why outsourcing labor is so damn necessary.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well there's the problem...

    The reality is that right and privlege can be synonyms depending on how they are used. A privledge is simply a right granted to a certain group or person.

    By definition, a legal entitlement can be declared a "right". "Right" is used as such in common vernacular. Whlie people can stamp their feet and go "no no no, that's not correct", being obstinent to reality doesn't really change reality.

    All you're basically doing is arguing a symantics game.

    Even more so as it relates to me, whose even establishing a distinctive and testable difference between what is a "Natural" right and what is a "Societal" right. A societal right could absolutely be thought of as a privledge as well. However I would personally not call them a privledge becuase of the implication in the two words.

    For my own views, a societal right is one that, based on the laws of the society, is assumed to be gauranteed to you simply for being a part of said society (so long as that society still is in working order). While the law can futher restrict it, you GAIN that right simply for being a part of the society.

    A privledge, meanwhile, would be something that is given to people within a society if they meet certain criteria and come with known and laid out strings attached. You don't get a privledge simply for being a part of society, but based through those additional actions.

    i agree with many of things you stated..

    a privilege requires a higher power to act.

    a right does not require a higher power to act.

    a privilege can be taken away by the power who granted that privilege.

    rights are not granted, and no human has the power to take it.....[meaning inside the law]

    the constitution recognizes rights, and privileges and immunities.

    civil rights...fall under privileges and immunities.

    the 14th amendment.[which was written for the slave population only...1873 ussc case][changed to include every citizen in the 20th century]which ever one calls the civil rights amendment...states to governments that they recognizes rights, and that they provide privileges and immunities to everyone.

    as you stated some privileges have strings attached to them.

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