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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

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    He was eviscerated because he was a weak leader. Even democrats appear to have agreed, judging by the election results.
    Voters blamed Carter for the OPEC oil embargo and the ensuing stagflation which he had no control of. Actually Carter's results were far from weak. I'm afraid Republicans link intelligence with weakness, probably because of the lack of intelligent candidates in their stable. Bush must have been the dimmest bulb the Whitehouse has seen in a long while.


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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

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    Voters blamed Carter for the OPEC oil embargo and the ensuing stagflation which he had no control of. Actually Carter's results were far from weak. I'm afraid Republicans link intelligence with weakness, probably because of the lack of intelligent candidates in their stable. Bush must have been the dimmest bulb the Whitehouse has seen in a long while.

    You forgot the Iranian hostage crisis and the Panama canal incident.

    On Bush, simply untrue. Bush had plenty of problems, but he was sincere and a leader. Meaning he lead and others followed. Our enemies feared him.

    Contrast that with Obama, who adopted many of Bush's policies, while mistakenly assuming that peace through weakness could ever work.

    One need only look at Obama's failed domestic and foreign policy to see where that gets us.

    Take a look, do you think he knows why the room is laughing?

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

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    You forgot the Iranian hostage crisis and the Panama canal incident.

    On Bush, simply untrue. Bush had plenty of problems, but he was sincere and a leader. Meaning he lead and others followed. Our enemies feared him.

    Contrast that with Obama, who adopted many of Bush's policies, while mistakenly assuming that peace through weakness could ever work.

    One need only look at Obama's failed domestic and foreign policy to see where that gets us.

    Take a look, do you think he knows why the room is laughing?
    neither bush or his first defense secretary read their Clausewitz.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You forgot the Iranian hostage crisis
    Explain to me how the Iranian hostage crisis was Carter's fault. While you're at it, explain to me how Reagan's backdoor deal with the Iranians to release the hostages once Saint Ronnie was inaugurated was OK.

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    and the Panama canal incident.
    Explain to me why the Panamanians should not have sovereignty over their territory.

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    On Bush, simply untrue. Bush had plenty of problems, but he was sincere and a leader. Meaning he lead and others followed. Our enemies feared him.
    Yes, our enemies feared Bush enough to fly airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

    You have this nebulous concept of "leadership" that simply baffles me. Apparently, being wrong is OK as long as you appear strong to your critics.

    Face facts ... you have no clue what other world leaders think of Obama.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Contrast that with Obama, who adopted many of Bush's policies, while mistakenly assuming that peace through weakness could ever work.
    Partisan claptrap. Ask Osama Bin Laden how "weak" the U.S. is. Oh, that's right, you can't. Because he's dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    One need only look at Obama's failed domestic and foreign policy to see where that gets us.
    Partisan claptrap.

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    Take a look, do you think he knows why the room is laughing?
    I find it amazing that you're defending Bush in the same post in which you are castigating Obama for a malapropism.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    It is quite telling that the OP's premise relies on gay rights and legal marijuana not simply being the right thing to do.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It is quite telling that the OP's premise relies on gay rights and legal marijuana not simply being the right thing to do.
    "The only reason Republicans AND Democrats supported the Civil Rights Act was to suck up to voters!"

    It's about as cynical as the OP. Now, I'm all for being cynical. But the OP's premise that two common sense policies are simply held to garner votes goes beyond cynicism.

    By the OP's rationale, any position that either party holds that is even remotely popular is only maintained as a vote grabber. As useless as I find both parties, I am not jaded enough to think that Washington is completely devoid of principle.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

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    What can I say. I don't like the ridiculously overblown responses of some Christians. Not every Christian is the same though. Even us White Conservative ones.
    Not every Christian is the same at all.

    We have a sign in our living room that says that discussion of religion is not allowed. This applies, of course, mostly to guests, but also has application in our house. My wife is very extra Protestant churchy and always has been. Sings in the choir, teaches Sunday school. Goes to church, Bible studies and church social events. She followed the Christian behavior rules prior to marriage - perfectly - and was known for it. Marriage vows allowed significant options to her, but that is unique to her. Her actual spirituality is quite different, but that is private and her "Christianity" is due to her respect for her parents. She will acknowledge if her parents were Hindu she'd be Hindu in practice and behavior for the identical reason. Respect for her parents and then that heritage. I would describe her parents as perfect parents. I never had parents.

    Our oldest daughter is an atheist. On no occasion has my wife tried to pressure her to attend church or talks religion with her. She does take the little ones to church. I am not a Christian, but I go to church with my wife and to most functions. I go because of her. I am respectful, but do not sing the hymns, chants or any other recitals - and everyone in the Church knows it. No one in the church, ever, has tried to convert me. Always respectful. There are other diversities in our household.

    I get tired of Christians being portrayed by picking the most extremely negative church or wacko pastor and assigning it to all Christians. Doing so is rampant on this forum. It is dishonest and false. No one has to respect a Christian member's faith and can openly criticize it. But too often it crosses the line to just outright hatred, sneering and ridicule.

    Personally, most of the finest, most gentle and decent people I've known in my life are Christians. I know some people who are excellent people who aren't too. But I also will say the most violent, amoral, immoral and sadistic people I've known in my life were not Christians. It seems I should just mention that, though will also say as an absolute that does not mean a person is superior by declaring s/he is a Christian.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Explain to me how the Iranian hostage crisis was Carter's fault. While you're at it, explain to me how Reagan's backdoor deal with the Iranians to release the hostages once Saint Ronnie was inaugurated was OK.



    Explain to me why the Panamanians should not have sovereignty over their territory.



    Yes, our enemies feared Bush enough to fly airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

    You have this nebulous concept of "leadership" that simply baffles me. Apparently, being wrong is OK as long as you appear strong to your critics.

    Face facts ... you have no clue what other world leaders think of Obama.



    Partisan claptrap. Ask Osama Bin Laden how "weak" the U.S. is. Oh, that's right, you can't. Because he's dead.



    Partisan claptrap.



    I find it amazing that you're defending Bush in the same post in which you are castigating Obama for a malapropism.
    Kindly place me on ignore, since the truth hurts.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It is quite telling that the OP's premise relies on gay rights and legal marijuana not simply being the right thing to do.
    Even Dear Leader was against gay marriage until it was politically convenient. And what has he said about marijuana?


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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "The only reason Republicans AND Democrats supported the Civil Rights Act was to suck up to voters!"

    It's about as cynical as the OP. Now, I'm all for being cynical. But the OP's premise that two common sense policies are simply held to garner votes goes beyond cynicism.

    By the OP's rationale, any position that either party holds that is even remotely popular is only maintained as a vote grabber. As useless as I find both parties, I am not jaded enough to think that Washington is completely devoid of principle.
    First, I don't really think there is any such thing as common sense. There's no folksy wisdom. There's just knowledge and ignorance.

    Second, while we might condemn our political opponents, most of the people who aspire to political office really are patriotic and love their country. They might have twisted ideas about race, religion, class, gender, sexuality, economics, or basically whatever, but they really do have the best of intentions. In the beginning, at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Even Dear Leader was against gay marriage until it was politically convenient. And what has he said about marijuana?
    People don't always do the right thing. Liberals don't actually think that Obama is some kind of paragon or that he has to be. We yelled at him over these positions and he listened to us (cuz we're his constituency). Isn't that what politicians are supposed to do?
    Last edited by Paschendale; 03-10-14 at 04:43 AM.
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