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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    While dp posters continue to post of general platitudes,
    very few of any lean are willing to lay down their markers on specific proposals to run/fix our many levels of gov't.

    I have changed to the center on gun subissues since coming on dp.
    I'm extremely right-wing when it comes to specifics on fixing public pensions, in which I get one.
    As for ECO/energy, I'm very torn, but realize if we don't, someone else will and dirtier.

    As for left-wing entitlements, as with defensive entitlements in the VA,
    means-testing is the only way out of this thick forest, and I've provided a way to do it, using retired folks like me .
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    just for a moment read what you just wrote. You support everything I said in this post. There are no real Marxist here. No real socialist. All you could gather of both couldn't will a small town dog catcher election. You have a false premise using a wild exaggerated over generalization. That's all there is to it.
    does the left deny, endowed rights....and believe the collective creates rights......yes.

    does the left advocate democracy today..a collective form of government...yes

    did progressive push democracy in america in the late 1800's......and move america from a republican form of government to a more democratic form of government...yes

    do progressive promote the idea of the "commons" .... which is collective .....yes.

    does socialism which is collective........promote the idea, of the removal of all private property...yes.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by sneakosview View Post
    Because they're gay pot smokers?
    The Republican party???

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    does the left deny, endowed rights....and believe the collective creates rights......yes.

    does the left advocate democracy today..a collective form of government...yes

    did progressive push democracy in america in the late 1800's......and move america from a republican form of government to a more democratic form of government...yes

    do progressive promote the idea of the "commons" .... which is collective .....yes.

    does socialism which is collective........promote the idea, of the removal of all private property...yes.
    "The left" =/= "progressive" =/= "socialist."
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    here is what i base my initial post on, ..it speaks for itself.



    ask the left, "are rights endowed by the creator"........they will say flat out.........NO!

    they believe rights are created by man, a collective body of people, the collective mindset.

    collectivism is the opposite of [individualism], ......which is what america was founded on.

    under collectivism..... no individual rights exist because the collective decides what they are, and the individual is subservient to that collective.
    Um - America was founded on a set of principles and laws that all Americans are supposed to support (and when they don't, they can use the rule of law to change them)

    So yes, rights are created by all of us in this country, through the democratic process

    If you want to call democracy "collectivism", go ahead

    You don't have the right to kill me (assuming I'm not threatening you). That's a collective decision we all made.

    We are not a religious theocracy.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    how does that change the fact that millions of republicans support equal rights and weed?
    How does that change the fact the Karl Rove, the chief campaign strategist for the 43rd President of the United States George W Bush, used gay baiting as a tactic to get votes.
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Karl Rove is a nutcase
    brilliant BULLY, EXTORTIONIST, and CON MAN

    but a nutball and exactly whats wrong with politics
    He was also the chief campaign strategist for the 43rd President of the United States George W Bush. We wasn't just some guy out on the fringe.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    so do you have a point?

    are you claiming that millions of conservatives dont support equal rights and weed?
    Yes I have a point. The fact is that Karl Rove, the chief campaign strategist for the 43rd President of the United States George W Bush, used gay baiting, with some success, to get votes for the Republican candidate for President of the United States.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if man can give any right, then can he give a right to kill?

    if man can give rights.....can he take them away, because he just chooses to do so?
    We have chosen that it's ok to kill someone if they have committed a heinous enough crime. But that is a joint decision.

    "Stand your ground" laws is a joint decision giving people the right to kill in certain situations.

    So answer to your question - removing the sexism - yes, people in our society can give and take away rights. We do that through the democratic process.

    I happen to not agree with the death penalty nor the "stand your ground" laws, but have been overruled by the "collective"

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "The left" =/= "progressive" =/= "socialist."
    what does the left advocate for?

    commons

    progressive taxes.

    very heavy tax on inheritance.

    i have hear many of the left advocate for nationalizing of large corporations even members of the democrat party.

    Marx believed in these ideas below:

    Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
    A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    Abolition of all right of inheritance.
    Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

    the left has many collective ideas.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    does the left deny, endowed rights....and believe the collective creates rights......yes.

    does the left advocate democracy today..a collective form of government...yes

    did progressive push democracy in america in the late 1800's......and move america from a republican form of government to a more democratic form of government...yes

    do progressive promote the idea of the "commons" .... which is collective .....yes.

    does socialism which is collective........promote the idea, of the removal of all private property...yes.
    You made up foe is comical, but you're just shadow boxing.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well kobie.. if rights are not endowed , where do they come from?
    Rights can only be endowed by a deity?
    Education.

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