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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That's an interesting perspective. However, I think the Republicans are going to have to offer much more than a critique of ACA if they are going to broaden their appeal. For instance, they are going to have to modify their stance on immigration, at the very least.

    Having said that, Democrats through their incompetence, are giving Republicans plenty of ammunition. And therefore it ain't over till the fat lady sings, as Daryl Royal used to say. On the other hand it shows you how pitiful the Republicans are, that despite all that incompetence, they are still having trouble.
    Exactly, the Republicans have to broaden their base. For that matter, the Democrats have steadily been losing quite a lot of their base. In 1980, the year Reagan won the presidency according to Pew Research, 45% identified themselves with the Democratic Party, 27% with the Republican Party and 32% were independents. Today the numbers are according to Gallup 30% identify with the Democrats, 23% with the Republicans and 47% identify themselves as independents.

    more telling is how the electorate view the two parties. 33% of the electorate view the Republican Party favorably while 61% view them unfavorably. For the Democrats it is 42% favorable, 53% unfavorable. but when one just looks at the independent voters, independents view Republicans 31% favorable, Democrats 30% favorable, Independents view Republicans 60% unfavorable, Democrats 61% unfavorable. The big difference is the Democrats have a far larger base than the Republicans, but both parties are not liked by 3/5ths of all independents.

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yep. They are going to have to do better than that. I guess they don't call them the "Grand Old Party" for nothing! LMAO!!!

    Sorry, couldn't help that one!



    It is what it is.

    The GOP did some great things in the past (Abraham Lincoln, Eisenhower, and etc.) but those days are long gone.




    "Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.


    Don't take my word for this, just wait and see.

    No one can stop time and/or change.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Wait, the democrats don't give a crap about gays and pot, and are just using them for votes??? I am shocked!
    LMAO!!

    Sorry didn't mean to bust your bubble!!!

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Conventional wisdom among the polisci and election specialist community is if you can get younger voters to commit to one party for at least two presidential election cycles in a row - that goes a long way to cementing a lifelong affiliation.
    That's interesting. I never heard that before. Do you have a reference for that?

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I agree with you that we need to reform education. I don't have the answers, though. I got a terrific education from our public school system. Lived in a blue-collar community in suburban Chicago. My parents weren't involved at all with my education or with the school. I think I had great teachers. While my counselors were disappointed I didn't plan to go to college, they still fast-tracked me with the classes I'd need to earn a living after high school. I was involved in a work program my junior and senior years where I got out of school at 1 PM in the afternoon and worked as a secretary for a company that worked with the school to do just that...give kids jobs while in high school.

    We don't do that now -- I don't think. Those who don't go to college are ill-prepared by their education to live their lives. That's a crying shame, in my opinion. What's credit?? How important is my credit score?? How do you balance a checkbook?? Some consumer contract law. Learn a trade. Etc. Etc. Everyone is not college material. Everyone doesn't want to go to college. Why do we treat every kid like we're somehow cheating them if we don't get them in college? We aren't. 68% of high school graduates go to college. The others? They are ill-prepared for real life. Failure.

    Teaching is a skill and an artform, in my opinion. There's more to teaching than just knowing the information. It's creativity. It's enthusiasm. Every teacher in our schools should have a little Tony Robbins in them. But they don't. And "they" don't look for that. Go through the motions...get your degree...get a job.

    There's a lot that should be different. I don't have the answers. But I know that simply throwing money at the problem isn't the answer. We've tried that.
    Nice. Couple of things. I totally agree, just throwing money at the thing BLINDLY is no good. But I think that if the money was wisely spent, education could be drastically improved with increased funding.

    The other thing is that you have made an excellent point about everyone not being cut out for college. I think that's a big flaw in the system now. There's plenty of valuable, productive things for people to do that don't require a college education. And quite frankly, much of the training that people go to college for don't require four years and all the classes that they take. So that was an excellent point. Thanks for that!

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    A pillar of Libertarianism is that people aren't willfully ignorant.

    For example, tobacco use has reduced dramatically without the need to outlaw tobacco. Simple public awareness often does the trick.

    It's a fine line between "promoting the common good" and dictating lifestyles.
    And there is still massive flaws in it. The most abused controlled drug in the US is prescription drugs, even with them only available by prescription. Pretty sure that gives us a very good reason to still regulate those drugs. Even cigarettes and alcohol have some control on them.

    It is one thing to educate people on the effects of two commonly used drugs and quite another to have to educate the entire country on hundreds, if not thousands of those drugs and what putting them together may do.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    We are not helpless children, and the government is not our parent or our nanny with the sworn task to keep us healthy and make sure that we live a healthy and safe lifestyle. We have the freedom to make dumb choices, acquire whatever property we desire, and use our property in dumb ways, which includes ways that can kill us. There should not be laws on the books that makes us go through hoops to get what we desire, tax us more for it, or control the way we desire to use our property onto ourselves. Could people die because of my position? Yes, it's entirely possible, but that is something the community can handle.
    Really? Tell us then why we still have around 15000 people who die from prescription drug overdoses every year? Michael Jackson, Corey Haim, Heath Ledger.

    CDC - Prescription Painkiller Overdoses Policy Impact Brief - Home and Recreational Safety - Injury Center

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Really? Tell us then why we still have around 15000 people who die from prescription drug overdoses every year? Michael Jackson, Corey Haim, Heath Ledger. CDC - Prescription Painkiller Overdoses Policy Impact Brief - Home and Recreational Safety - Injury Center You do not have the right to acquire whatever property you desire. Deal with it.
    Is there some sort of reason you don't believe people have the right to harm themselves? If you want people to not die from their own decisions than education is what you're after, not the restriction of freedom. In any event, requiring drugs only be given by medical professionals only restricts the choices of people and enriches doctors.
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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is one thing to educate people on the effects of two commonly used drugs and quite another to have to educate the entire country on hundreds, if not thousands of those drugs and what putting them together may do.
    Naw, it's easy. We'll say Pres. Obama is for prescription drugs, and all the knee-jerk conservatives will stop taking them. Takes care of educating that part of the country!

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    Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Is there some sort of reason you don't believe people have the right to harm themselves? If you want people to not die from their own decisions than education is what you're after, not the restriction of freedom. In any event, requiring drugs only be given by medical professionals only restricts the choices of people and enriches doctors.
    Because that harm ends up leading to harm to others, not just themselves.
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