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Thread: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Which is why Putin is going to do exactly what he wants. He knows no one is going to lift a finger to stop him.
    And what do you want to propose? That we attack Russia over Ukraine?

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    I can't just picture President Hillary Clinton now wagging her finger at Russia for being bad.
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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well, personally, I see no political will for averting catastrophe. This kind of thing ends up dragging us in after all the better solutions are impossible.

    To Obama's credit he has started the war games bit to back up his diplomatic efforts, but unfortunately he doesn't seem to realize that this only has meaning if you haven't already taken military response off the table.

    The EU offering Ukraine bailout money only makes the situation worse since Putin REALLY doesn't want Ukraine going to the EU or joining NATO (his jump into Crimea is partly to stall the pro-West Ukraine joining EU). At this point such moves simply provoke a military response from Putin who has already shown quite clearly that he still has military action on the table.

    Sanctions on Russia will hurt the EU most of all since they will lose their Russian oil while Russia will simply divert that supply to China who is always in the market for more oil and likely would not heed any sanctions on Russia and nobody in the current global economy is well situated financially to impose sanctions on China anyway.

    Putin has correctly diagnosed the situation and knows that the only people who MIGHT put up a fight are the Ukrainians and he sees that as a win-win.
    Speculation can be interesting. Mine is that Putin will have the Ukraine but will go no further because the world really will take notice, as well as the next US President.. The Ukraine will eventually join the EU and NATO. Russia's weaknesses will become more apparent with time, especially with the Chinese pressuring their western borders. They will continue to problems with Islamists, as will the Chinese, but the Chinese will probably be more ruthless in their response. Don't take that to the bank!

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    And what do you want to propose? That we attack Russia over Ukraine?
    Do you think the only two options are total inaction and all out invasion?
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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you think the only two options are total inaction and all out invasion?
    The false dichotomies are amusing.

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The false dichotomies are amusing.
    More amusing than that are the folks who claim to be more educated than us common folk have never cracked a single history book.
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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Speculation can be interesting. Mine is that Putin will have the Ukraine but will go no further because the world really will take notice, as well as the next US President.. The Ukraine will eventually join the EU and NATO. Russia's weaknesses will become more apparent with time, especially with the Chinese pressuring their western borders. They will continue to problems with Islamists, as will the Chinese, but the Chinese will probably be more ruthless in their response. Don't take that to the bank!
    If Putin takes The Ukraine, unopposed, he'll keep wanting more.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you think the only two options are total inaction and all out invasion?
    Of course not.

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I can't just picture President Hillary Clinton now wagging her finger at Russia for being bad.
    Well, at this point in time, what does it matter?

    I expect we can hear that a lot!

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Of course not.
    Neither do I, then. Do we have all the assumptions out of the way?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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