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Thread: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I remember in Vietnam that a Vietnamese lady friend asked me "How does it help the Vietnamese to bring war and death to the Country?" It was a great question, but I was still a BLIND patriot. After I came home, I was really surprised by all the protest about the War. As I learned the truth of the War, my blinders fell off. It took a long time to see that a CORPORATE hand was in the puppeteer's sock to the detriment of the people, to the detriment of the Nation, to the detriment of everything, except Military/Industrial/Corporate bottom lines, I thought they temporarily had control of the people's gov't. It's been temporary since the 1900s. I harbor no illusions about democracy, freedom, liberty, and justice and the use of these buzzwords in a controlled Media. The Media control began with the CIA and has gotten out of hand. The USA Mainstream Media reputation is the same as lold Soviet Russia and deservedly so. I observe that for you to be comfortble in jour job, you must wear blinders full time, or you wouldn't be able to do your job. You will. of course see that as dutiful patriotism, not brainwashed. If you thought that you were spreadin death , mayhem, chaos, misery and violence around the World, you might not be "comfortable" in your job. When big Corporate rules the World, as it does in the USA, it is no different thatn a dictator, just another variety. I don't make random decisions.
    Don't feed the troll. It lives under a "criticism = blind hatred" prerogative, and humorously enough, seems to blindly defend American foreign policy at every turn.

    It's not worth your time.

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Don't feed the troll. It lives under a "criticism = blind hatred" prerogative, and humorously enough, seems to blindly defend American foreign policy at every turn.

    It's not worth your time.
    I defend all foreign policy, if it's effective. What Russia's doing is fine, from Russia's point of view.

    These simple things...people have so much trouble with.
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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I defend all foreign policy, if it's effective. What Russia's doing is fine, from Russia's point of view.

    These simple things...people have so much trouble with.
    Anschluss was pretty effective too. Hell, even the Holocaust--from Germany's perspective.

    But good foreign policy sees the long-term trajectory of things. Like those who said Afghanistan is a quagmire and Iraq makes no sense.

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Anschluss was pretty effective too. Hell, even the Holocaust--from Germany's perspective.
    Was Anschluss effective? Or did it backfire? I could ask the same of the Holocaust, but that wasn't a foreign policy anyway.

    But good foreign policy sees the long-term trajectory of things.
    I don't think anyone argued otherwise?

    Like those who said Afghanistan is a quagmire and Iraq makes no sense.
    Afghanistan was pointless. Iraq was badly planned.
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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You're right, they did. When they felt their backs were up against the wall due to oil import restrictions, they responded by aligning themselves with Germany and attacking the U.S. at Pearl Harbor, HI. Could Russia make a similar move and their economy is destabilized due to crippling economic sanctions initiated by the West (U.S.) and significant loses in oil revenue from decreased exports to the EU?

    My answer: Y'all better hold on to your butts. This Ukrainian situation could go sideways real fast.
    Or, Putin could tell his posse, "boy, we can't afford to het into a shootin' war. We better figure out how to step back from this without looking like a buncha punks".

    There a couple million battle hardened veterans in America that could be deployed against a Russian army that hasn't seen combat in nearly 30 years. That's a distinct advantage that we have over the Russians.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Or, Putin could tell his posse, "boy, we can't afford to het into a shootin' war. We better figure out how to step back from this without looking like a buncha punks".

    There a couple million battle hardened veterans in America that could be deployed against a Russian army that hasn't seen combat in nearly 30 years. That's a distinct advantage that we have over the Russians.
    Yeah, experience in fighting is a huge advantage over experience in diplomacy and peace.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, experience in fighting is a huge advantage over experience in diplomacy and peace.
    You have that right!

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, experience in fighting is a huge advantage over experience in diplomacy and peace.
    That doesn't make sense, my friend.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That doesn't make sense, my friend.
    I'm sorry.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    If the American people want the rest of the world to screw off than the administration is listening to the American people.

    Is that not democracy?
    The US Government signs alliances and treaties with other countries that it needs to uphold or render them all useless.

    The world is currently tied in a netting of alliances in which US projection of power is essential to maintain. We can argue whether that is fair or not, but the reality is there are a good many bad actors in the world that will be getting more adventuresome as they realize that the US president has essentially neutralized US power.

    As the net starts to unravel it is simply foolish to think that the trouble will remain "over there".
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