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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I agree; however, I believe Russia invading and holding referenda at gunpoint is not a viable way to determine what these people want.

    Let's get an international troop in first and then hold a referendum under their watch. That would be legitimate.

    It doesn't look like, though, that Putin has even the slightest interest in such a solution.
    In Kiev they are thinking about having an election but in the Crimea the election has a close date. Why wasn't Russia invited to help bring stability to Kiev? The West fomented insurrection in Ukraine and the Media pretends something else took place. Geez, could this be some kind of manipulation? Who's the good guy?

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    In Kiev they are thinking about having an election but in the Crimea the election has a close date. Why wasn't Russia invited to help bring stability to Kiev? The West fomented insurrection in Ukraine and the Media pretends something else took place. Geez, could this be some kind of manipulation? Who's the good guy?
    lol wtf? What happened in your life that made you just randomly decide that the US is always bad? As dumb as the people that think the US is always good.
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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    The United States is presently at an usual confluence of events. We have an incompetent bumbling administration combined with the fact that the American people want the rest of the world to screw off. Americans are tired of endless wars for nothing, tired of seeing our young men die in foreign countries for aholes that don't even want us there, tired of giving away money for nothing. We want to bring our people home, the war is over.

    If Obama's incompetent bumbling and lack of knowledge keep us out of this, the American people will rightfully cheer the result.
    Funny but I think it is the incompetent bumbling Administrations that get us into wars without end or meaning.
    You think the opposite.

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    The media in the West is playing Turchynov as the good guy. In reality, He's a neo-nazi, Ultra nationalist, That is Pro European. I wouldn't be surprised if some ethnic cleansing was happening behind the scenes. To overthrow the democratically elected president through armed revolution and then call him the good guy? Doesn't that seem detrimental to the democratic system?

    If you just read the bios of Yulia Tymoshenko and Turchynov, They SCREAM fascist.


    And don't even get me started on the hypocrisy of the United States Foreign Policy. . .


    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    In Kiev they are thinking about having an election but in the Crimea the election has a close date. Why wasn't Russia invited to help bring stability to Kiev? The West fomented insurrection in Ukraine and the Media pretends something else took place. Geez, could this be some kind of manipulation? Who's the good guy?
    "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."
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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol wtf? What happened in your life that made you just randomly decide that the US is always bad? As dumb as the people that think the US is always good.

    I remember in Vietnam that a Vietnamese lady friend asked me "How does it help the Vietnamese to bring war and death to the Country?" It was a great question, but I was still a BLIND patriot. After I came home, I was really surprised by all the protest about the War. As I learned the truth of the War, my blinders fell off. It took a long time to see that a CORPORATE hand was in the puppeteer's sock to the detriment of the people, to the detriment of the Nation, to the detriment of everything, except Military/Industrial/Corporate bottom lines, I thought they temporarily had control of the people's gov't. It's been temporary since the 1900s. I harbor no illusions about democracy, freedom, liberty, and justice and the use of these buzzwords in a controlled Media. The Media control began with the CIA and has gotten out of hand. The USA Mainstream Media reputation is the same as lold Soviet Russia and deservedly so. I observe that for you to be comfortble in jour job, you must wear blinders full time, or you wouldn't be able to do your job. You will. of course see that as dutiful patriotism, not brainwashed. If you thought that you were spreadin death , mayhem, chaos, misery and violence around the World, you might not be "comfortable" in your job. When big Corporate rules the World, as it does in the USA, it is no different thatn a dictator, just another variety. I don't make random decisions.

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas105 View Post
    The media in the West is playing Turchynov as the good guy. In reality, He's a neo-nazi, Ultra nationalist, That is Pro European. I wouldn't be surprised if some ethnic cleansing was happening behind the scenes. To overthrow the democratically elected president through armed revolution and then call him the good guy? Doesn't that seem detrimental to the democratic system?

    If you just read the bios of Yulia Tymoshenko and Turchynov, They SCREAM fascist.


    And don't even get me started on the hypocrisy of the United States Foreign Policy. . .

    Did you notice that hundreds of the "protesters" are from Academi (Blackwater)? Trained, organized, deployed to create deathe and chaos even after the Feb. 21 agreement where Yanukovych agreed and signed to all the demands of the protestors and ordered the police back. The death and mayhem occurred after this agreement. Academi (Blackwater) doesn't work for free. Let's check the payrolls and see who finances death, chaos, insurrection, and revolution and see who the snipers were working for.

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I remember in Vietnam that a Vietnamese lady friend asked me "How does it help the Vietnamese to bring war and death to the Country?" It was a great question, but I was still a BLIND patriot. After I came home, I was really surprised by all the protest about the War. As I learned the truth of the War, my blinders fell off. It took a long time to see that a CORPORATE hand was in the puppeteer's sock to the detriment of the people, to the detriment of the Nation, to the detriment of everything, except Military/Industrial/Corporate bottom lines, I thought they temporarily had control of the people's gov't. It's been temporary since the 1900s. I harbor no illusions about democracy, freedom, liberty, and justice and the use of these buzzwords in a controlled Media. The Media control began with the CIA and has gotten out of hand. The USA Mainstream Media reputation is the same as lold Soviet Russia and deservedly so. I observe that for you to be comfortble in jour job, you must wear blinders full time, or you wouldn't be able to do your job. You will. of course see that as dutiful patriotism, not brainwashed. If you thought that you were spreadin death , mayhem, chaos, misery and violence around the World, you might not be "comfortable" in your job. When big Corporate rules the World, as it does in the USA, it is no different thatn a dictator, just another variety. I don't make random decisions.
    I don't believe in democracy, freedom, liberty, or justice. I believe in what's effective. You think that's something about "corporations". It's not. Just because things aren't about democracy, freedom, liberty, or justice doesn't mean they're about corporations. Wake up. You're wearing blinders, Dave. Blinders that are making you look for a good guy and, as such, a bad guy. There are neither.
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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I don't believe in democracy, freedom, liberty, or justice. I believe in what's effective. You think that's something about "corporations". It's not. Just because things aren't about democracy, freedom, liberty, or justice doesn't mean they're about corporations. Wake up. You're wearing blinders, Dave. Blinders that are making you look for a good guy and, as such, a bad guy. There are neither.
    My point becomes that you are one of the sock puppets, induced by the six figure inflation of ego. I don't care who you sell out to. You will find, in the end, that whatever business, criminal or otherwise, succeeds wildly, that business must become a bank to launder outsized profits. Really big profits build really big Banks. Could that be the embryo for "too big to fail?"

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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    My point becomes that you are one of the sock puppets, induced by the six figure inflation of ego. I don't care who you sell out to. You will find, in the end, that whatever business, criminal or otherwise, succeeds wildly, that business must become a bank to launder outsized profits. Really big profits build really big Banks. Could that be the embryo for "too big to fail?"
    Yes, I'm a sock puppet for success and meeting challenges. Are you?
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    Re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    What we have here is a sort of a "Bay of Pigs," scenario, in reverse.

    Instead of Russia supporting a communist country in our back yard, we have the US supporting a Western leaning country in Russia's back yard.

    The irony is, (or hypocracy if you prefer,) when Russia did it, they were wrong but when we do it, we're right?

    Hmmmmmmm................

    Not saying it's apples for apples, just kinda similar.
    Yep, pretty simple CA. We just need more Americans to see it for what it is.
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