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Thread: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

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    re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm sure in his mind it's no choice at all --- he'll take the hit on shrinking the military. I freely admit I may be wrong and would be happy to be wrong in this case.
    In his mind, no doubt. But he's got an election on.

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    re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    So...wait.
    You took a road video which was uploaded to VK (equivalent to Russian Facebook), with a specific title which states where the footage was taken:

    "трасса Краснодар-Новороссийск, колонна войск РФ в Крым"
    /"road Krasnodar-Novorosiysk, Russian army column into Crimea"

    ...and "inferred" from what you supposedly haven't seen in the video that is was taken in Crimea?!?
    The up-loaders of the video stated exactly where it was taken - road Krasnodar-Novorosiysk. These forces might end up in Crimea but the footage wasn't taken there.

    Fallen.
    And as I said, these units have no identifying marks as they enter Crimea.

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    re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not to draw too much comparison, Japan attacked under such economic pressures.
    Good point.

    On the other side, Hitler attacked because Britain and France had failed to prepare themselves for war, had underestimated Germany's ambitions and recklessness, lulling themselves into the false notion that as long as they just give Hitler some leeway to restore an independent Germany, he'll stay peaceful -- and thus showed weakness.
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    re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And as I said, these units have no identifying marks as they enter Crimea.
    Unfortunately, that is irrelevant to the place where the footage was taken, which you claimed was Crimea when in fact it is:
    "трасса Краснодар-Новороссийск, колонна войск РФ в Крым"
    /"road Krasnodar-Novorosiysk, Russian army column into Crimea"

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    re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not to draw too much comparison, Japan attacked under such economic pressures.
    So logically, since Russia has invaded a sovereign nation and blockaded its ports, Ukraine is justified in military action, no?

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    re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I hope you are right.
    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Good point.

    On the other side, Hitler attacked because Britain and France had failed to prepare themselves for war, had underestimated Germany's ambitions and recklessness, lulling themselves into the false notion that as long as they just give Hitler some leeway to restore an independent Germany, he'll stay peaceful -- and thus showed weakness.
    I hear ya man, I just really don't see the comparisons on this being drawn between Putin, Hitler, Stalin, etc. it's not as though Putin just decided to start marching west. He is responding to a border country in crisis, a crisis of US and perhaps EU making. At this point, I see little about Putin's actions troubling and quite understandable.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So logically, since Russia has invaded a sovereign nation and blockaded its ports, Ukraine is justified in military action, no?
    I disagree that Russia has invaded. How many times must it be repeated that the Ukraine crisis is western made and Putin's actions are justifiable. If Ukraine wants to take on Russia, good luck.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So logically, since Russia has invaded a sovereign nation and blockaded its ports, Ukraine is justified in military action, no?
    I suppose as justified as Saddam Hussein was in his military action when we invaded his sovereign country.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I disagree that Russia has invaded. How many times must it be repeated that the Ukraine crisis is western made and Putin's actions are justifiable. If Ukraine wants to take on Russia, good luck.
    Thats not what I asked, I asked if they were justified in your "view", and I use that term loosely.

    In the mean time, Russia is expanding its military spending by 40%.
    Putin has transformed Russian army into a lean, mean fighting machine - Washington Times

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    re: For First Time, Kremlin Signals It Is Prepared to Annex Crimea [W:153]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    The United States is presently at an usual confluence of events. We have an incompetent bumbling administration combined with the fact that the American people want the rest of the world to screw off. Americans are tired of endless wars for nothing, tired of seeing our young men die in foreign countries for aholes that don't even want us there, tired of giving away money for nothing. We want to bring our people home, the war is over.

    If Obama's incompetent bumbling and lack of knowledge keep us out of this, the American people will rightfully cheer the result.
    First you say, "Americans are tired of endless wars and seeing young men die for nothing" and "to bring em home, the war is over" and then you blame Obama for not getting the US involved in another endless war. Do you see how ridiculous that is?

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