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    Re: Senate blocks military sexual assault bill

    Being in the military, I am strongly against this bill. There is no reason for it. If people actually looked at the true stats of the civilian world compared to the military, they would find that the military does a much better job at fighting sexual assault. In fact, if politics comes involved in whether a case is pursued, then it is more likely to be pursued or not for the wrong reasons (either to show that more people are being punished when accused of sexual assault, whether the evidence is actually there or not, NJP requires less evidence than court martial, or to ensure someone with enough influence gets their way when it comes to whether or not to pursue, and not just talking about officers here, believe it or not, politicians' children do sometimes join the military, firsthand experience with some of the influence there). Given the fact that NJP requires less evidence than even civilian justice systems when it comes to sexual assault/rape, then that means a person accused is more likely to be punished for it in the military than the civilian world. While I do not agree that this is right, I also do not think that the goal here is to ensure justice is served, but rather to try to look politically like they are trying to reduce numbers of sexual assaults. This action will not actually reduce sexual assaults, nor will it increase conviction possibility in the right way.

    And as for the blaming the command/supervisors, I agree wholeheartedly. There is much more likely to be a problem if the command sees it as easier to sweep things under the radar rather than actually pursuing legitimate cases of anything. People are less likely to do something if they know that they will be highly punished personally for doing something wrong and the responsibility is actually laid on their shoulders. Supervisors/commanders should be held responsible for whether or not known offenses are punished and the message their punishments are sending to their command, not for the actual offenses being done.
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    Re: Senate blocks military sexual assault bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Basically if a lower ranking soldier accused a higher ranking soldier of wrong doing then that lower ranking better have some video evidence and maybe a couple of other soldiers to back him or her up while the opposite is true if a higher ranking soldier accused a lower ranking soldier of wrong doing.
    So you're saying an accusation is enought evidence to prosecute? The scenario you describe would generally result in an investigation. Interviews conducted and evidence gathered, if there was evidence to support the accusation...then it goes forward. And if this process isn't followed, there are channels to go around it.

    The way I see it is that the main problems with sexual assault is women coming forward. Now this is certainly related to a valid perception that nothing will be done. I think the military is addressing this and subsequent results of more women coming forward is proof that its working.

    The other resistant factor of woman coming forward is simply age. The vast majority of sexual assaults in the military (as well as the general public) are alcohol related. So you have a 19 year old service member out underage drinking (violation of the UCMJ) and gets sexually assualted. Most who want to remain in the service, will not report it becuase they known it can and usually does result in a discharge. I'm not sure how you fix this part of the equation.

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    Re: Senate blocks military sexual assault bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'll ask out of ignorance, if the officer decides that the case doesn't merit investigation/prosecution is that the end of the situation? Or are there other channels a victim can use?
    There are other channels. AG would be your next recourse.
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    Re: Senate blocks military sexual assault bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Just to make the point, I am a democrat and I would have voted against the bill. The goal is worthy, the method chosen in the bill flawed.
    Don't trouble yourself to explain the flaws, though.
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    Re: Senate blocks military sexual assault bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Don't trouble yourself to explain the flaws, though.
    Im interested in that explanation as well.....


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