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    Re: Massachusetts court says 'upskirt' photos are legal

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Could this mean kilts are making a comeback, all over the world? Hooray from most women! :

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    Yes, but there's a trade off. If we're going to wear kilts we also expect to be provided with telephone poles to toss around and haggis cooked over an open fire....and whiskey.....lots and lots of whiskey.

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    Re: Massachusetts court says 'upskirt' photos are legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Yes, but there's a trade off. If we're going to wear kilts we also expect to be provided with telephone poles to toss around and haggis cooked over an open fire....and whiskey.....lots and lots of whiskey.
    I'll do a quick survey, but it seems your terms are reasonable..except for the haggis being cooked over an open fire. Does that mean at any time of the year, because I don't think Vesper and I want to trudge through mountains of snow, in bitter cold, just to get dinner on the table! I'm reasonably certain that some accommodation during negotiations can be reached, however. SMW might have something to add. :

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    Re: Massachusetts court says 'upskirt' photos are legal

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I'll do a quick survey, but it seems your terms are reasonable..except for the haggis being cooked over an open fire. Does that mean at any time of the year, because I don't think Vesper and I want to trudge through mountains of snow, in bitter cold, just to get dinner on the table! I'm reasonably certain that some accommodation during negotiations can be reached, however. SMW might have something to add. :

    Greetings, lutherf.
    Well...the Burns Supper is usually in January but this January we were in the 60's for the most part so I don't see why snow would be an issue.

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    Re: Massachusetts court says 'upskirt' photos are legal

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Could this mean kilts are making a comeback, all over the world? Hooray from most women! :

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    As long as those "most women" don't sit across from us on a bus with an iPhone in their laps pointed our direction.
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    Re: Massachusetts court says 'upskirt' photos are legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Yes, but there's a trade off. If we're going to wear kilts we also expect to be provided with telephone poles to toss around and haggis cooked over an open fire....and whiskey.....lots and lots of whiskey.
    SINGLE MALT whiskey, to be precise. ISLAY single malt whiskey, to be even more precise.
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    Re: Massachusetts court says 'upskirt' photos are legal

    So this means a guy sees a woman sitting down he can now lie down on the floor and stair at her legs waiting for her to cross them. Next, he can walk up behind her and look over her shoulder down on her cleavage. Yes my fellow Americans we are truly moving forward much like the pyramids in Egypt.
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    Re: Massachusetts court says 'upskirt' photos are legal

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    As long as those "most women" don't sit across from us on a bus with an iPhone in their laps pointed our direction.
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    Re: Massachusetts court says 'upskirt' photos are legal

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    So this means a guy sees a woman sitting down he can now lie down on the floor and stair at her legs waiting for her to cross them. Next, he can walk up behind her and look over her shoulder down on her cleavage. Yes my fellow Americans we are truly moving forward much like the pyramids in Egypt.
    What? You can do all that now!

    Though if you do I recommend wearing a cup.....and probably your cheap glasses too.

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    Re: Massachusetts court says 'upskirt' photos are legal

    Here's the issue I have with this ruling. The man in question had no real way to know whether the picture he was taking was going to come out as a nude photo or not. The reason for this is that the skirt is specifically there to cover up that part of the body. A woman is not considered "nude" for going commando under a skirt, so anything under her skirt should still be considered private until/unless she shows it to someone (same for a man who wears some clothing that could be revealing). Going out of his way to photograph under a woman's skirt is not an incidental/unavoidable invasion like would be if just photographing someone out in public, what is normally seen.

    Now, maybe it is best just to get the law to say that this should be illegal, but I personally feel that is redundant and unnecessary and that we honestly should just have some common sense in our laws here.

    And here is exactly why I feel that this guy should have been found guilty.

    "who was eventually arrested and charged with two counts of attempting to secretly photograph a person in a state of partial nudity"

    He was attempting to secretly photograph a person in a state of partial nudity since he didn't (as I noted before) have any foreknowledge of what state these women were in under their skirts. Did he know that these women had underwear on and that their underwear would completely cover all aspects of what was under their skirts, preventing him from photographing any nudity of these women? There is no way he could have that knowledge. Just because he failed to get that nude or partial nude photo, doesn't mean that he wasn't guilty of attempting to get it.
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    Re: Massachusetts court says 'upskirt' photos are legal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    "who was eventually arrested and charged with two counts of attempting to secretly photograph a person in a state of partial nudity"

    He was attempting to secretly photograph a person in a state of partial nudity since he didn't (as I noted before) have any foreknowledge of what state these women were in under their skirts. Did he know that these women had underwear on and that their underwear would completely cover all aspects of what was under their skirts, preventing him from photographing any nudity of these women? There is no way he could have that knowledge. Just because he failed to get that nude or partial nude photo, doesn't mean that he wasn't guilty of attempting to get it.
    The trouble is that motivation is always difficult to prove. I'm sure his lawyer argued that a reasonable person would expect that the vast majority of women in skirts are wearing underwear. Kinda like with hate crime laws, short of a statement coming from the perp revealing exactly that motivation it is pretty much impossible to prove.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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