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If there was any doubt that this war is over:

Record Support for Gay Marriage; Half See it as a Constitutional Right - ABC News



Record numbers of Americans in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll support gay marriage, say adoption by gay couples should be legal and see gays and lesbians as good parents. Most oppose a right to refuse service to gays, including on religious grounds. And, by a closer margin, more also accept than reject gay marriage as a constitutional right.

The results continue a dramatic transformation of public attitudes on the issue, led by political, legislative and court-ordered developments alike. Seventeen states now allow gay marriage, and federal courts in four others – most recently Texas and Virginia – have rejected laws banning it.

See PDF with full results and charts here
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http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1159a2GayMarriage.pdf
 
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It's just not a big deal. If they want to play house, let them play house.

But this will hardly be the end of it. No one invents reasons to play the victim card like the gay community. I swear, they're convinced their ancestors were slaves, too.
 
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No offense but after years of social engineering in public schools about gays I'm little stumped on exactly how this is news.

That isn't even dealing with the issue of just flat out lies about anti-discrimination laws and the sit in issue that takes place in schools. Really, none of this should surprise anyone.
 
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No one invents reasons to play the victim card like the gay community.

No one invents reasons to devalue the plights of other people like the conservatives.
 
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No one invents reasons to devalue the plights of other people like the conservatives.

Oh boo hoo, we can't adopt children. Cry me a river baby. Cry cry cry..
 
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No offense but after years of social engineering in public schools about gays I'm little stumped on exactly how this is news.

That is even dealing with the issue of just flat out lies about anti-discrimination laws and the sit in issue that takes place in schools. Really, none of this should surprise anyone.

There was no social engineering involving gay people. People are just realizing that there is nothing wrong with being gay and happily living your life. These people aren't hurting society, and they do just as much of a good job raising children.
 
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There was no social engineering involving gay people. People are just realizing that there is nothing wrong with being gay and happily living your life. These people aren't hurting society, and they do just as much of a good job raising children.

Yeah, and there was no social engineering about anti-discrimination laws and just in general other races and people when I was going to school either. Tell me another one. I will just ignore everything to believe you, promise.
 
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Oh boo hoo, we can't adopt children. Cry me a river baby. Cry cry cry..


Actually, most of the crying and whining is being done by the other side...."What do you mean we have to share our rights with you"...."The word Marriage belongs to us....why do we have to share"...."We should be able to discriminate against anyone that we think is icky".....I could go on and on and on....but I think you get the point.
 
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Yeah, and there was no social engineering about anti-discrimination laws and just in general other races and people when I was going to school either. Tell me another one. I will just ignore everything to believe you, promise.

Can you give me an example of the social engineering that is being used in schools to make homosexuality more acceptable?
 
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Let me remind you again, it's not federal but by state. The polling methodology is suspect as well:

Landline

In the landline component of these surveys, a sample of landline households in the continental United States is selected by SSI via random digit dialing procedures, in which all landline telephone numbers, listed and unlisted, have an equal probability of selection.

In other words they spam call finding an end run around do not call laws (federal and state). The only people that respond to this are those with strong beliefs one way or the other and have a lot of time on their hands (so conservatives will be under represented :mrgreen:). I've actually been called by these knobs and told them off for violating the DNC list and informed them of the lawsuit I can bring if they call again. Here in Oregon once you inform one of these spam callers to never call again, subsequent calls are actionable.
 
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No one invents reasons to devalue the plights of other people like the conservatives.

The "plights of other people" in this case is called the right to play make-believe mommy and daddy. They had that right already.

It's needy, mindless, nonsense that politicians have figured out how to use to secure voting blocs.

It doesn't normalize gays, and it doesn't make those out in front of this seem less flamboyant, quirky, funny, and generally out of place. It's all fine by me, but it's still strange and other worldly.

Nothing has really changed because their "marriage" is absolutely nothing like mine. It's like comparing the marriages of Bill and Hillary to George and Barbara.
 
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Actually, most of the crying and whining is being done by the other side...."What do you mean we have to share our rights with you"...."The word Marriage belongs to us....why do we have to share"...."We should be able to discriminate against anyone that we think is icky".....I could go on and on and on....but I think you get the point.

I find it humorous how you included marriage, in which you are talking about government marriage, and discrimination, in which you are talking about private discrimination in your list You could make the argument that people have to be equally treated by the government on both fronts, and hell, you can make the argument that people have the right to marriage, but you can't make the argument that people have the right to a government marriage. The only reason it has to be extended is because it exists in the first place, but government marriage by itself is not a human right. As for private discrimination, yes, people have the right to discriminate against anyone they please and those people that were sitting at the lunch counters were trespassing on private property.

The reason I laugh at gays when they start bitching about not getting a government marriage is only because they keep referring to the government marriage as a human right, when marriage is a human right, not government marriage that is an issue of equal treatment. At least they could use the right argument every once in a while, damn.
 
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Nothing has really changed because their "marriage" is absolutely nothing like mine.

I'm starting to think the main problem is that you need them to be different and/or below you. You've probably spent most of your adult life looking down at them, and refuse to see their way of life as anything close to or equal to your own.
 
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I'm starting to think the main problem is that you need them to be different and/or below you. You've probably spent most of your adult life looking down at them, and refuse to see their way of life as anything close to or equal to your own.
Southerns went to their graves believing that blacks were inferior. You're probably not going to change Erod's mind either on gays being inferior.
 
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Nothing has really changed because their "marriage" is absolutely nothing like mine.

You must not have much of a marriage then. Most married couples that I know, straight or gay are exactly the same. Sorry to hear that you don't have the same.

Just curious....in what ways does your marriage fail to live up to the standards of most marriages? I'm truly interested in knowing.
 
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Yeah, and there was no social engineering about anti-discrimination laws and just in general other races and people when I was going to school either. Tell me another one. I will just ignore everything to believe you, promise.

Social engineering. Our founding Fathers gave the American People big old buiding blocks called the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution...


..."In Order to form a more perfect Union". Yup, sounds like blue-prints to Social-engineering to me. Thanks Founding Fathers.
 
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There was no social engineering involving gay people. People are just realizing that there is nothing wrong with being gay and happily living your life. These people aren't hurting society, and they do just as much of a good job raising children.

I think it would help if the LGBT groups would eliminate the in your face attitudes displayed by their supporters in publicly funded events like LGBT parades. Such events probably do more overall harm to their image, and reinforce stereotypes, than any other activity I can think of.

In this regard, they are most certainly hurting society, children, and frankly, themselves.
 
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Social engineering. Our founding Fathers gave the American People big old buiding blocks called the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution...


..."In Order to form a more perfect Union". Yup, sounds like blue-prints to Social-engineering to me. Thanks Founding Fathers.

So now the words "in order to form a more perfect union" means social enginneering. Wow..
 
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I think it would help if the LGBT groups would eliminate the in your face attitudes displayed by their supporters in publicly funded events like LGBT parades. Such events probably do more overall harm to their image, and reinforce stereotypes, than any other activity I can think of.

In this regard, they are most certainly hurting society, children, and frankly, themselves.

How does a gay pride parage hurt society and children? I've been to probably at least 20-25 gay pride parades and have yet to see anything even close to the type of behavior that you see "straight" people engaging in yearly at mardi gras. The most you might see at a gay pride parade are outrageously flamboyant drag queens and a few boys in go go shorts.

BTW....I take my children every year. They love it....and I haven't seen hardly anything that I think is inappropriate for them. Quite the contrary. They were approached and handed a "coloring book" by anti-gay evangelists last year that included a lot of material that was sexually explicit and very inappropriate. Probably trying to "scare" kids straight. Personally, I found it disgusting.
 
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You must not have much of a marriage then. Most married couples that I know, straight or gay are exactly the same. Sorry to hear that you don't have the same.

Just curious....in what ways does your marriage fail to live up to the standards of most marriages? I'm truly interested in knowing.

So considering that men and women are different exactly how is the marriage between two people of the same sex the same as a marriage between people of the opposite sex? This should be fun.

It's one thing to say it's a human right to get married, but it's another to ignore innate differences in the sexes.
 
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So considering that men and women are different exactly how is the marriage between two people of the same sex the same as a marriage between people of opposite sexes? This should be fun.

It's one thing to say it's a human right to get married, but it's another to ignore innate differences in the sexes.

Ah......because marriage is not just about sex. Hate to have to tell you. In fact, in most marriages, straight or otherwise, I think sexual organs are probably the least important aspect of it.
 
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Ah......because marriage is not just about sex. Hate to have to tell you. In fact, in most marriages, straight or otherwise, I think sexual organs are probably the least important aspect of it.

I wasn't talking about sex. Try to keep up.
 
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I wasn't talking about sex. Try to keep up.

It is my understanding that love and the desire to build a life with another person is what makes them the same.
 
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I think it would help if the LGBT groups would eliminate the in your face attitudes displayed by their supporters in publicly funded events like LGBT parades. Such events probably do more overall harm to their image, and reinforce stereotypes, than any other activity I can think of.

In this regard, they are most certainly hurting society, children, and frankly, themselves.

If one feels that the LGBT "groups" have an "in your face" attitude", then that lies within the offended person.

Whom should do the modifing?
 
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