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Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162:334]

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America is so backwards on gay/lesbian treatment (by most western standards).

Just a quick hop across the border to Canada shows this (plus how ridiculously backwards America still is over 'race').

America will grow up (on both)...eventually.

The nation as a whole will eventually realize that there is nothing wrong with adult, consensual homosexuality and that 'they' should have the exact same rights as 'straight' people (and that telling every one who will listen that you are not racist...means you are racist, IMO. People who truly are not racist don't even think about it).
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I implied that promoting homosexuality was wrong and requiring others to accept homosexuals was wrong.
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That is how you choose to see it. The teachers who bring the issue of gay folk into their classrooms don't see it as "promoting homosexuality" they see it as talking about the real world and teaching about inclusiveness and diversity. The whole "promoting homosexuality" mantra is a beautiful piece of social conservative rhetoric, but the way it takes shape is the denial that gay kids exist in classrooms or that some kids are raised by gay couples or that gay folk exist at all in the world and can be happy and functional people. That kind of denial is not healthy. You cannot promote reality, it just is. And trying to argue that teachers who teach their students basic principles like to be kind to those who are different are somehow out of of place is ridiculous as well. You can choose to see it how you want, but that is not how others see it.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
It's not a teachers position to be teaching children politics - teachers shouldn't be addressing the issue in public schools in the first place. Kids go to school to learn how to read, write and do math, learn history and science - NOT form conclusions on homosexuality or learn which way to lean politically... Telling kids what political ideas are right and wrong is stepping over the line and promoting certain fringe political ideas is stepping way over the line.

I never said it was wrong to be gay either. I implied that promoting homosexuality was wrong and requiring others to accept homosexuals was wrong.
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how do you promote being gay its not a choice?

so schools should not tell you to accept people who are gay they should just tell you not to harass people for it then?
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Policies promote homosexuality - you progressives promote homosexuality because you progressives are obsessed with homosexuality..... You promote it via your own obsessions with homosexuality, and the bus doesn't stop there either - you progressives are obsessed with all minorities and make an issue out of their differences....
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You cant promote homosexuality anymore than you can promote being black. People are born that way and dont 'infect' other people with it.

And if people wouldnt EXCLUDE minorities, we wouldnt have to fight for them to have the same rights.....*we* dont make an issue out of their differences....conservatives and the extreme religious do....**THAT is the basis for their arguments.** Not anyone elses.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Policies promote homosexuality - you progressives promote homosexuality because you progressives are obsessed with homosexuality..... You promote it via your own obsessions with homosexuality, and the bus doesn't stop there either - you progressives are obsessed with all minorities and make an issue out of their differences....
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3.support or encourage something: to encourage the growth and development of something

ah so supporting persecuted people is how their promoting it and that is worng...um why is that
 
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CriticalThought said:
That is how you choose to see it. The teachers who bring the issue of gay folk into their classrooms don't see it as "promoting homosexuality" they see it as talking about the real world and teaching about inclusiveness and diversity.
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That needs to be in the classroom why? As I mentioned earlier, there is no need to teach children about all the sorts of people in the world to teach them to be respectful towards others. It really doesn't matter what they think of this group or that group, and as long as the state is trying to influence those thoughts people will have a problem with it because it is a form of social engineering. All that really matters, and all that needs to be done, is to teach them to treat all people with respect no matter who they are.

The whole "promoting homosexuality" mantra is a beautiful piece of social conservative rhetoric, but the way it takes shape is the denial that gay kids exist in classrooms or that some kids are raised by gay couples or that gay folk exist at all in the world and can be happy and functional people. That kind of denial is not healthy. You cannot promote reality, it just is. And trying to argue that teachers who teach their students basic principles like to be kind to those who are different are somehow out of of place is ridiculous as well. You can choose to see it how you want, but that is not how others see it.
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Then why wasn't this mentioned years ago? Isn't it interesting that as soon as gays pensioned the government the public schools started to teach such things?
 
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Lursa said:
You cant promote homosexuality anymore than you can promote being black. People are born that way and dont 'infect' other people with it.
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I enjoy how you keep making authoritative statements on the matter. :lol:
 
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Henrin said:
I enjoy how you keep making authoritative statements on the matter. :lol:
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I just repeat what the authorities say.
 
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Henrin said:
That needs to be in the classroom why? As I mentioned earlier, there is no need to teach children about all the sorts of people in the world to teach them to be respectful towards others. It really doesn't matter what they think of this group or that group, and as long as the state is trying to influence those thoughts people will have a problem with it because it is a form of social engineering. All that really matters, and all that needs to be done, is to teach them to treat all people with respect no matter who they are.



Then why wasn't this mentioned years ago? Isn't it interesting that as soon as gays pensioned the government the public schools started to teach such things?
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teaching kids to treat people with respect is also social engineering but that sounds like the right kind
 
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Lursa said:
I just repeat what the authorities say.
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Sorry, but since what you said hasn't been proven, the authorities on the matter aren't say it.
 
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blarg said:
teaching kids to treat people with respect is also social engineering but that sounds like the right kind
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As I said earlier, the lesson that they are pretending they are acting on is not about sitting the kid down and teaching them about each individual group. I have no idea why they think they can use that excuse.
 
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CriticalThought said:
That is how you choose to see it. The teachers who bring the issue of gay folk into their classrooms don't see it as "promoting homosexuality" they see it as talking about the real world and teaching about inclusiveness and diversity. The whole "promoting homosexuality" mantra is a beautiful piece of social conservative rhetoric, but the way it takes shape is the denial that gay kids exist in classrooms or that some kids are raised by gay couples or that gay folk exist at all in the world and can be happy and functional people. That kind of denial is not healthy. You cannot promote reality, it just is. And trying to argue that teachers who teach their students basic principles like to be kind to those who are different are somehow out of of place is ridiculous as well. You can choose to see it how you want, but that is not how others see it.
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I don't care what teachers think - most are progressive political activists anyways, they're more concerned a kid knows about homosexuality and Obama than they do if their students are up to par on the essential curriculum like; reading, math, science etc....

Besides, like I said in a previous post - these teachings have nothing do with homosexuality and everything to do with social engineering and the destruction of morals and ethics in an attempt to create a bunch of sheep that "follow the leader" in which the sheep are perfect building blocks for a totalitarian society... And this has already happened before with Mao, Lenin/Stalin, Pol Pot etc.....
 
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Henrin said:
Sorry, but since what you said hasn't been proven, the authorities on the matter aren't say it.
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Yeah...they have. They have been very clear that it is not a choice. :lol:

Edit: It's like saying 'prove' consciousness. We all know humans have consciousness. It's like saying...prove you are straight. Can you?
 
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Henrin said:
That needs to be in the classroom why?]
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Because gay kids exist in the classroom. Gay people exist in the world. Why would you pretend otherwise?

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Then why wasn't this mentioned years ago? Is it interesting that as soon as gays pensioned the government the public schools started to teach such things?
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It was. Police went to schools and told students to report any of their friends they suspected were gay. They had students watch films depicting gay people as mentally ill folk who sought to corrupt young children by luring them into sexual relationships.

 
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blarg said:
teaching kids to treat people with respect is also social engineering but that sounds like the right kind
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And who is teaching anyone to be disrespectful???

Just because someone doesn't agree with another doesn't mean they will be disrespectful.

The simple fact you said this shows how homosexuality is being promoted. Any time someone disagrees with homosexuality they must be homophobic - just like any time someone disagrees with Obama (or any minority) they must be "racist." Now you ask how these ideas are being promoted? - look at your own comment.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
And who is teaching anyone to be disrespectful???

Just because someone doesn't agree with another doesn't mean they will be disrespectful.

The simple fact you said this shows how homosexuality is being promoted. Any time someone disagrees with homosexuality they must be homophobic - just like any time someone disagrees with Obama (or any minority) they must be "racist." Now you ask how these ideas are being promoted? - look at your own comment.
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some parents probably are and cruelty can come naturally to kids
 
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blarg said:
3.support or encourage something: to encourage the growth and development of something

ah so supporting persecuted people is how their promoting it and that is worng...um why is that
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Persecuted people?

Yes supporting gay's is an act of promotion.

Do you support heterosexuals? do you promote heterosexuality? of course NOT.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
And who is teaching anyone to be disrespectful???

Just because someone doesn't agree with another doesn't mean they will be disrespectful.

The simple fact you said this shows how homosexuality is being promoted. Any time someone disagrees with homosexuality they must be homophobic - just like any time someone disagrees with Obama (or any minority) they must be "racist." Now you ask how these ideas are being promoted? - look at your own comment.
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what's a non homophobic reason to disagree with homosexuality?
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I don't care what teachers think - most are progressive political activists anyways, they're more concerned a kid knows about homosexuality and Obama than they do if their students are up to par on the essential curriculum like; reading, math, science etc....

Besides, like I said in a previous post - these teachings have nothing do with homosexuality and everything to do with social engineering and the destruction of morals and ethics in an attempt to create a bunch of sheep that "follow the leader" in which the sheep are perfect building blocks for a totalitarian society... And this has already happened before with Mao, Lenin/Stalin, Pol Pot etc.....
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So basically no matter what teachers teach, you have a political agenda against them because you feel they have a political agenda against you. Go figure.
 
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blarg said:
some parents probably are and cruelty can come naturally to kids
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Good. Let kids be kids - kids ARE cruel at times, but that is part of growing up, that's what gives you skin. Don't confuse acknowledging that with an endorsement either.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Persecuted people?

Yes supporting gay's is an act of promotion.

Do you support heterosexuals? do you promote heterosexuality? of course NOT.
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nope I just am hetero sexual

no one ahs ever given me **** for it and iv never heard of any one been mistreated for it

so how am I encouraging people to be gay and not simply supporting gay peel against bull ****?
 
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Mr.Nick said:
And who is teaching anyone to be disrespectful???

Just because someone doesn't agree with another doesn't mean they will be disrespectful.

The simple fact you said this shows how homosexuality is being promoted. Any time someone disagrees with homosexuality they must be homophobic - just like any time someone disagrees with Obama (or any minority) they must be "racist." Now you ask how these ideas are being promoted? - look at your own comment.
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What do you even mean by "disagree"? I love how you can avoid any specific examples so that you can pretend that any and all negative behavior directed at minorities is just "disagreement".
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Yes supporting gay's is an act of promotion.
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So to you, a teacher acknowledging that a student is gay and not chastising them for it is promotion of homosexuality?
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Good. Let kids be kids - kids ARE cruel at times, but that is part of growing up, that's what gives you skin. Don't confuse acknowledging that with an endorsement either.
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no bad kids being assholes to kids is optional bull**** on the part of the kids that we don't need to allow

or do you let them od what ever stupid harmful **** they please?

iv heard on hear kids are going to Scholl to learn math and history and other things guess what can get in the way of that the people surrounding you making your life hell
 
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