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Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162:334]

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punishing blacks and whites for being together is not = protection just because its applied to black and white people

dose nothing to racists and punishes interracial couples

your using the same approach for gay marriage

you don't have the same protection under the law if men can marry women and women can marry men but a man cant marry a man and a woman cant marry a woman

just like you don't have = protection under the law if black people can marry black people and white people can marry white people but a white and a black person cant marry one another
And two women cant marry 5 men Where is their equal protection?
 
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I never said gay couples should not be allowed to adopt. i said we should not allow gay marriage just so they can adopt. As i said marriage is not even a prerequisite for adoption

ok then
 
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nope no expert but im educated enough to know that hetero/homo sexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia LMAO

try again let us know when you change this fact

start with maybe researching what homo/heterosexuality is then learn what pedophilia is

It seems not. You can be both
Homosexuality is sexual attraction to people of the same gender. There is no age in the definition
 
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And two women cant marry 5 men Where is their equal protection?

having multiple spouses itself can mess with equality marriage is no longer necessarily evenly matched with a 1-1 ratio between the partners

arguing for grope marriage is not a reason to keep homosexuals from getting married
 
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A right is not granted or invented by the state. Marriage is an invention of the state so it can not be a right. It is a privilege granted by the state with rules to follow
Go study yourself

your OPINION is noted but the fact remains marriage is a rights

SCOTUS said so 14 times

no need to study i understand the facts
but you are free to keep your factually wrong opinoin
 
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1.)It seems not. You can be both
2.)Homosexuality is sexual attraction to people of the same gender. There is no age in the definition

1.)never said you cant be both LOL
i simply said they are separate things which they factually are

2.) correct just like hetero sexuality is sexual attraction to opposite gender, very good
correct meaning pedophilia has nothing to do with hetero/homo sexality

thanks for proving me right
 
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Not between the married same sex partners they do not.

Well at least we agree there. Its funny that if you live with 2 women you are a stud but if you marry them your a criminal.

So? How does that matter? Esp when millions of straight married couples have families filled with step-children, adopted children, children created thru surrogates, and no kids? How is it relevant? It's not relevant, not a critieria for straight couples to marry, so how can it be for gay couples?

and like I said, I have no problem with polygamy...see no real reason to prevent it. My opinion of it doesnt matter at all and I wouldnt vote against it. That would be hypocritical.
 
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You sound pretty sure.
Then your contention is that a person's development milieu or their life environment cannot possibly have any effect on whether or not they engage in homosexual practices.
Is that correct?

Lots of young people are curious and experiment. That doesnt really determine your sexual orientation, just your flexibility. A person is gay whether they ever have sex or not. But for hundreds of years, people have been marrying whether or not they were gay or not...they didnt have any choice because of social pressures and in some cases the possibility of death. DIdnt make them 'not gay.'
 
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Lots of young people are curious and experiment. That doesnt really determine your sexual orientation, just your flexibility. A person is gay whether they ever have sex or not. But for hundreds of years, people have been marrying whether or not they were gay or not...they didnt have any choice because of social pressures and in some cases the possibility of death. DIdnt make them 'not gay.'

Yes, and it did not make them, their wives or children very happy. They were living a life they did not belong in. They were not straight and they were "playing" the faithful heterosexual husband for their wives, children and the world around them. They were living a farce in which there were seldom winners but much more often nothing but losers.

Their wives were the talk of the town, "how did she not know he was gay". Their children were the laughing stock of the schools "ha ha, your daddy is a queer" and often the men were also burdened with the knowledge that they destroyed a lot of lives in the process of liberating himself from his fake life.

Be yourself, that is the only way to go because choosing to fake your life in order to "fit" into society is a recipe for failure.
 
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and like I said, I have no problem with polygamy...see no real reason to prevent it. My opinion of it doesnt matter at all and I wouldnt vote against it. That would be hypocritical.

exactly. you buy into gay marriage then you must also, by the same argument accept polygamy(and whatever lies beyond). You really find it THAT hard to believe many, many people aren't willing to jump on board with your "hippie commune" future? Changing a society FOUNDED on certain social institutions and simply throwing them into the trash bin isn't just wrong, it's dangerous.
 
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He ignores that essentially they are unsure on the question at all. There was some studies on hormonal influences, but all them are flawed in one way or another. There was some studies on genetic influences, but all them appear to be influenced by ideology. Lastly, there was studies on environmental influences, but to my understanding there is no sure answer one way or another on the matter. Really, the entire field of study is rather untouched and needs further study and better work done on it to really know the answer.

And you ignore:

We dont know what causes brain tumors or MS or stars to form or how birds all perform flying in sync (chorus line effect) or how monarch butterflies all know to migrate en masse to Mexico....but they are all real and we know they exist.
 
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They can also be Bisexual

These days even the schools are turning them gay. Making it acceptable instead of frowned upon. Removing the social stigma

So tell me are the members of NAMBLA gay or pedophiles or both?

They are teaching acceptance...to provide a more conducive learning environment. What does it serve to punish the children of gays? To *create or encourage* social stigma among children?

It's about 'including' people, rather than 'excluding' them.

Over the generations schools have had to make efforts to include bastards. And then to include the children of divorce, of broken homes. All of those things carried social stigmas in the past...and it damaged the kids and it created a poor, insecure learning environment.

"Inclusion" is not promotion. No one has ever promoted divorce.
 
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exactly. you buy into gay marriage then you must also, by the same argument accept polygamy(and whatever lies beyond). You really find it THAT hard to believe many, many people aren't willing to jump on board with your "hippie commune" future? Changing a society FOUNDED on certain social institutions and simply throwing them into the trash bin isn't just wrong, it's dangerous.

I have no problem with polygamy. (It has no appeal for me at all but who cares, it's not about my 'opinion.') What is your objection? What is the danger you see?
 
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exactly. you buy into gay marriage then you must also, by the same argument accept polygamy(and whatever lies beyond). You really find it THAT hard to believe many, many people aren't willing to jump on board with your "hippie commune" future? Changing a society FOUNDED on certain social institutions and simply throwing them into the trash bin isn't just wrong, it's dangerous.

Except you really aren't changing what a society is founded on. The vast majority won't 'be hippies', like they won't marry outside their race, it is not rocking the foundation of society. Polygamy won't shatter the fabric of our society, gays having equal status through marriage in courts and benefits won't rend society.

You make both arguments, most won't engage in the hippy commune but somehow it will throw certain social institutions into the trash bin... :confused:
 
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No you are telling me to like it just the same as a heterosexual marriage. .

How is it any different? Besides sex (and not even that because many straight couples do ALL those things)....so, how is it different?
 
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I have no problem with polygamy. (It has no appeal for me at all but who cares, it's not about my 'opinion.') What is your objection? What is the danger you see?

me? nothing at all.
in fact, I hope a homosexual polygamists moves in next door. It will only take about a decade to explain to my kid how "natural" that is in our new liberal utopia.
 
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Once more they are the exception and not the rule. There should be no fertility test just as their should be no test for sexual preferences or for love.

Again the states reason for supporting marriage is in case they have children it is not a prerequisite

THey are not the exception. Many gay families are made up of children from former (straight) marriages that gays felt pressured into socially.

Care to provide any stats that show gay couples have less kids than straight ones? They may have less, but not by numbers that indicate they are 'exceptions.'

Just as many gays *want families* as straight ones (and plenty of straight ones do not). That is one reason they want to marry...it provides more benefits and security for children.
 
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me? nothing at all.
in fact, I hope a homosexual polygamists moves in next door. It will only take about a decade to explain to my kid how "natural" that is in our new liberal utopia.

What harm do you see coming from it? Are you afraid your kid is gay? Because your 'neighbors' cant make him be gay.
 
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It used to be and IMHO still is a mental disease ,

A disease? What harm does it do? To the person or anyone else?
 
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In any event, if a person's life environment can't influence whether they participate in homosexual activities how do you explain the "discrepancy" of homosexual activity in prisons?

That is a sex act...not being gay. Not being sexually attracted to the same gender. It's about dominance and submission.

Let's face it, men try ****ing vacuum hoses, poodles, sheep, just about anything....that is about gratification, not attraction.
 
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And you ignore:

Sigh..

Look, I didn't say anything didn't exist, I just said we don't know what causes it, and you know, unless you can show how I'm wrong in that argument, you can just consider this conversion over. You have grown to bore me.
 
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That is a sex act...not being gay. Not being sexually attracted to the same gender. It's about dominance and submission.

Let's face it, men try ****ing vacuum hoses, poodles, sheep, just about anything....that is about gratification, not attraction.

......................:lamo I love it... :lamo
 
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Again, millions of gay people have NATURAL children. So you are the one in Fantasy Island territory.

Oh, wow, really? Wait, I'm sorry, you seriously thought you posted some new information there? Man, this is even worse than I thought.
 
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LOL....you have no idea. There are many gay men and women who have their own biological children. That may surprise you, but it happens all the time. I'll leave it to you to figure out the details. I'm sure with some thought you can figure it out.

Another one. Oh, but thanks for the news flash. Is there a thread for old news somewhere?
 
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Oh, wow, really? Wait, I'm sorry, you seriously thought you posted some new information there? Man, this is even worse than I thought.

I'm sorry you continue to bring it up in the context of gay marriage when it has nothing to do with it.
 
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