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Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162:334]

Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

Henrin said:
Yeah, it does, but again, it's really awesome to dream. Of course, there is more to than just carrying the kid, and in fact, carrying the kid alone doesn't mean squat to the equation. A woman that carries another womans kid is not the mother of the kid.
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No. It makes you the kids bio mother or father. It doesn't make you the parent in all cases. And even in cases where it does, your parental rights and title can be terminated. While you as the sperm donor or birthing mother remain the bio mom/dad, you don't remain the parent of the child. Understand now?
 
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Erod said:
Good gosh, stop comparing gays to the plights of slaves. So getting formally married (versus a civil union) is akin to forced labor and post whippings?

And last I checked, gay people have been working and voting for a long, long time.

Little dramatic, don't you think?
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their are some similarity's to be seen with other people who have been discriminated against

iv heard online dozens of times that gay people have the same right to marry as heterosexuals because they can just marry some one of another gender.

that's **** is the same kind of justification you could use for bans on interracial marriage
 
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Henrin said:
Lol, adopted parents are never the kids REAL PARENTS. Fun to dream though.
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That's not true at all, but it depends largely on the damage done by the real parents beforehand. We were fortunate in that regard because she was so young. And since she's a middle child and was here before the youngest, it's made it seamless in many ways.

It's all relative to the situation.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Funny how you look down on him, because he has differant views than your own. How ironic.
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I don't see him as less of a person than myself, nor would I go out of my way to hinder his life in any way.
 
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blarg said:
their are some similarity's to be seen with other people who have been discriminated against

iv heard online dozens of times that gay people have the same right to marry as heterosexuals because they can just marry some one of another gender.

that's **** is the same kind of justification you could use for bans on interracial marriage
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Here's the problem. EVERYBODY is discriminated against. Everybody. Short guys don't get to play post on the basketball team. Slow guys don't get to run track. Homely girls don't get anywhere near the attention and opportunities that the pretty ones do. Smart kids get scholarships that mentally challenged kids don't. Type A people get more opportunities in business that more reserved people do.

Gay people, and many minorities of different types, have this incessant mindset that they face challenges and other people have life handed to them in whatever shape or form they wish.

That alone has kept the black community in a vice grip of failure. This notion that white people have the world handed to them on a six-figure platter. And strangely enough, there is discrimination within the black community among the lighter and darker varieties of people.

This is such a wussified, overly sensitive, reality TV driven, needy world we live in. Frankly, it weeds out the weak. My daughters will greatly benefit from that one day.
 
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Henrin said:
Lol, adopted parents are never the kids REAL PARENTS. Fun to dream though.
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par·ent [pair-uhnt, par-] Show IPA
noun
1.
a father or a mother.
2.
an ancestor, precursor, or progenitor.
3.
a source, origin, or cause.
4.
a protector or guardian.
5.
Biology . any organism that produces or generates another.
 
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disneydude said:
No. It makes you the kids bio mother or father. It doesn't make you the parent in all cases. And even in cases where it does, your parental rights and title can be terminated. While you as the sperm donor or birthing mother remain the bio mom/dad, you don't remain the parent of the child. Understand now?
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There is a difference between socially created nonsense that somehow warps being a caregiver of a child to being the same as a parent and being the actual parent of the child. A child can have a long series of social created parents(caregivers), but they can only have one set of real parents. Of course, in the future that number might increase to three, four, or beyond, but naturally speaking anyway it will remain two.
 
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Sababa said:
It has become fun watching conservative bigots try to justify their bigotry as the wave grows against them.
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Here we go with the name calling when we have a different opinion.........So stale and boring.....Bring something to the table for once.
 
Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

Henrin said:
So considering that men and women are different exactly how is the marriage between two people of the same sex the same as a marriage between people of the opposite sex? This should be fun.

It's one thing to say it's a human right to get married, but it's another to ignore innate differences in the sexes.
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Aside from gender, they're exactly the same. They do all the same things, raise kids, to to school plays, PTA, take kids to soccer and dance, eat meals, put out the garbage, go on vacation, watch TV, do laundry, argue, go to church, go to the movies, mow the lawn, have birthday parties, etc etc etc.

How about a list of things that are 'different?' And even the sex isnt different since lots of straight couples do *all* the same things.
 
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Henrin said:
There is a difference between socially created nonsense that somehow warps being a caregiver of a child to being the same as a parent and being the actual parent of the child. A child can have a long series of social created parents(caregivers), but they can only have one set of real parents. Of course, in the future that number might increase to three, four, or beyond, but naturally speaking anyway it will remain two.
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A parent is a person who raises a child. In many cases, this may be the egg/sperm donor, but in many cases it is not. Many people go through life never knowing their bio mom/dad. Does this mean that they grew up without parents? Hardly.
 
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Lursa said:
Aside from gender, they're exactly the same. They do all the same things, raise kids, to to school plays, PTA, take kids to soccer and dance, eat meals, put out the garbage, go on vacation, watch TV, do laundry, argue, go to church, go to the movies, mow the lawn, have birthday parties, etc etc etc.

How about a list of things that are 'different?' And even the sex isnt different since lots of straight couples do *all* the same things.
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Why do you think my argument had to do with the ability to use their facilities to do everyday things? :lol: Obviously everyone has arms and legs and fingers and toes, so obviously they can do all those things you listed.
 
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Henrin said:
Lol, adopted parents are never the kids REAL PARENTS. Fun to dream though.
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Moderator's Warning:
That kind of comment, directly posted as it was, needs to stop.

As does the rest of the baiting/flaming and personal comments that are floating around this thread. Stick to the topic, which is NOT each other.
 
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disneydude said:
A parent is a person who raises a child. In many cases, this may be the egg/sperm donor, but in many cases it is not. Many people go through life never knowing their bio mom/dad. Does this mean that they grew up without parents? Hardly.
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No, it means they never knew their parents. Anyway, nice job using the terms egg donor and sperm donor. Real nice. Those terms are meant to insult people, so yeah.
 
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Henrin said:
No, it means they never knew their parents. Anyway, nice job using the terms egg donor and sperm donor. Real nice. Those terms are meant to insult people, so yeah.
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In some cases, that's all they are. In other cases, they may try to be a parent, but fail miserably at it and lose the role. The mere fact of having sex and shooting a sperm might make one a biological father, but it doesn't always make someone a parent. That's just a fact, whether you accept it, wanna play word games...or not.
 
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Henrin said:
That is a completely different issue where rights to the child are already established.
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Nope...it's not. You just see it that way.
 
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Erod said:
Here's the problem. EVERYBODY is discriminated against. Everybody. Short guys don't get to play post on the basketball team. Slow guys don't get to run track. Homely girls don't get anywhere near the attention and opportunities that the pretty ones do. Smart kids get scholarships that mentally challenged kids don't. Type A people get more opportunities in business that more reserved people do.

Gay people, and many minorities of different types, have this incessant mindset that they face challenges and other people have life handed to them in whatever shape or form they wish.

That alone has kept the black community in a vice grip of failure. This notion that white people have the world handed to them on a six-figure platter. And strangely enough, there is discrimination within the black community among the lighter and darker varieties of people.

This is such a wussified, overly sensitive, reality TV driven, needy world we live in. Frankly, it weeds out the weak. My daughters will greatly benefit from that one day.
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before you were complaining about people comparing discrimination against people to discrimination against other people

now your complaining that they think no one else has faced problems when your previous complaint required that they do
 
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Lursa said:
Nope...it's not. You just see it that way.
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Oh? So at what point is a persons right to a kid established when they adopt a kid? Is it perhaps AFTER they adopt the kid?
 
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Henrin said:
No, it means they never knew their parents. Anyway, nice job using the terms egg donor and sperm donor. Real nice. Those terms are meant to insult people, so yeah.
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You dont know what you are talking about. My adopted sisters got to have supervised meetings with their mother and know their brother and 2 sisters (also adopted out) as well.
 
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Lursa said:
You dont know what you are talking about. My adopted sisters got to have supervised meetings with their mother and know their brother and 2 sisters (also adopted out) as well.
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Great, but that has nothing to do with what we were talking about where kids DIDN'T get to see their parents.
 
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blarg said:
before you were complaining about people comparing discrimination against people to discrimination against other people

now your complaining that they think no one else has faced problems when your previous complaint required that they do
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Huh? Were those sentences?

The point is, enough with all the self-absorbed pity parties. Everybody faces people and scenarios that don't favor them. That doesn't make them "plights", as if they're trying to free themselves from the shackles of slavery or starvation.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Here we go with the name calling when we have a different opinion.........So stale and boring.....Bring something to the table for once.
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Pointing out bigotry is not name calling. It is sad that you have to argue to be one to feel good about yourself.
 
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Henrin said:
No, it means they never knew their parents. Anyway, nice job using the terms egg donor and sperm donor. Real nice. Those terms are meant to insult people, so yeah.
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Case in point....complicated story -one of my best friends (who has known for most of his life that he was adopted) came across a letter from his bio mom when he had to seek out biological information due to some potentially life threatening illnesses his own biological daughter was suffering from. He ended up finding the adoption agency that his adoptive parents went through and found out that a few years ago, his bio mom sent a letter to the agency in the hopes that one day he might seek her out. This happened about the same time we were adopting our sons. I asked him if he was going to reply, he said no. I asked why. He said he had no interest. She wasn't his mom. I found that interesting, because if it had been me...most likely I would have wanted to meet her, if for nothing other than curiosity. His feeling was one of zero connection to her. His response was, my parents are my parents. They are the only parents I've ever known or ever want to know. I realize that everyone is different. But it completely dispels your mistaken premise.
 
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Erod said:
In very small circles, maybe. You're living in small circles.
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you and every one else have yet to give a reason why those circles of any size cant just jeep growing and growing

though I do hear on her people unhappy with such growth believe that it must be due to a conspiracy of manipulation and not their own failings
 
Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

Erod said:
Good gosh, stop comparing gays to the plights of slaves. So getting formally married (versus a civil union) is akin to forced labor and post whippings?

And last I checked, gay people have been working and voting for a long, long time.

Little dramatic, don't you think?
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stop the comparisons!
 
Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

Henrin said:
No, it means they never knew their parents. Anyway, nice job using the terms egg donor and sperm donor. Real nice. Those terms are meant to insult people, so yeah.
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BTW...I'm not using the terms to "insult" anyone. I'm simply pointing out the facts. There are many many many cases where a guy has sex with a girl and donates sperm, but is never a father or a parent. Same goes with the girl, but not as common. That isn't insulting...it is what it is.
 
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