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Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162:334]

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Anthony60 said:
Hmmm, how about the number of pregnancies between your gay and straight friends, is that "exactly the same" too?
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Actually....yep....pretty much. Most of my friends don't have kids....but just thinking quickly about those that do....a couple of my straight friends have adopted kids and a couple have kids of their own. Same for the gay friends that I have. Some have their own children....others have adopted....most don't have kids. So in answer to your question.....yep....pretty much exactly the same. Thanks for asking.
 
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disneydude said:
Wow.....now it all makes sense. You value adopted children and adopted families the same way that you devalue gay marriage. THAT is extremely sad and just shows how short-sighted you are. Why don't you talk to an adoptive parent or an adoptive child and find out whether they value their children as much as you do.
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I am an adoptive parent. And that wasn't the point. Stretch your mind a bit.

Kids are created by men and women, and need to be raised by mothers and fathers. This is absolutely critical to the development of children. You see the horrible result in our nation from its mass shortcomings in this area. The prison system is full of the consequences.

Forcing a child into a gay marriage "family" is cruel and confusing to them. Sure, it's better than an orphanage, perhaps, but it's not healthy for their development. Politics don't raise kids, structured natural families do. Trust me, this is even more critical for adopted children, who face challenges and carry scars you can't erase no matter what.
 
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Erod said:
I am an adoptive parent. And that wasn't the point. Stretch your mind a bit.

Kids are created by men and women, and need to be raised by mothers and fathers. This is absolutely critical to the development of children. You see the horrible result in our nation from its mass shortcomings in this area. The prison system is full of the consequences.

Forcing a child into a gay marriage "family" is cruel and confusing to them. Sure, it's better than an orphanage, perhaps, but it's not healthy for their development. Politics don't raise kids, structured natural families do. Trust me, this is even more critical for adopted children, who face challenges and carry scars you can't erase no matter what.
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I just love when I directly respond to posts before they are even posted:

Phys251 said:
Whenever I see these anti-LGBT whining posts, my consolation is always that their attitude is literally dying out. :)
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But then again, it isn't that hard to do. I leave the reasons for that as an exercise to you guys.
 
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Erod said:
I am an adoptive parent. And that wasn't the point. Stretch your mind a bit.

Kids are created by men and women, and need to be raised by mothers and fathers. This is absolutely critical to the development of children. You see the horrible result in our nation from its mass shortcomings in this area. The prison system is full of the consequences.

Forcing a child into a gay marriage "family" is cruel and confusing to them. Sure, it's better than an orphanage, perhaps, but it's not healthy for their development. Politics don't raise kids, structured natural families do. Trust me, this is even more critical for adopted children, who face challenges and carry scars you can't erase no matter what.
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Just more of your short-sighted views based more on myth than facts. The facts are almost completely opposite to your beliefs here...and if you are an adoptive parent, I feel sorry for your adopted children, because it was obviously from your post above that you view adoptive children as inferior to biological children. When you say that an "adoptive family" is not anywhere near the same as a biological one, you are devaluing the adoptive child...and that is just sad.
 
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Erod said:
Forcing a child into a gay marriage "family" is cruel and confusing to them. Sure, it's better than an orphanage, perhaps, but it's not healthy for their development. Politics don't raise kids, structured natural families do. Trust me, this is even more critical for adopted children, who face challenges and carry scars you can't erase no matter what.
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Kids do not need people with particular sexual organs raising them. Good parenting has a lot less to do with whether you have a penis or a vagina than it does whether you have to committment and patience to spend the time to nurture, love and give direction to a child. Trust me....
 
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disneydude said:
Just more of your short-sighted views based more on myth than facts. The facts are almost completely opposite to your beliefs here...and if you are an adoptive parent, I feel sorry for your adopted children, because it was obviously from your post above that you view adoptive children as inferior to biological children. When you say that an "adoptive family" is not anywhere near the same as a biological one, you are devaluing the adoptive child...and that is just sad.
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And with that, dude, you can go eff yourself. Did I call adopted kids "inferior"? Do you think I consider my daughter inferior? You are the strawman champion of all time. Just how many can you create in an hour?

You're here all the stinking time. You don't work apparently, or certainly don't win the bread, so no wonder husband-wife roles are so inconvenient for you. You gotta be a man to feel like one, I suppose.

An adoptive family is different, not inferior. And until you have the balls to adopt a child, you should stop talking out your ass.
 
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Erod said:
And with that, dude, you can't go eff yourself. Did I call adopted kids "inferior"? Do you think I consider my daughter inferior? You are the strawman champion of all time. Just how many can you create in an hour?

You're here all the stinking time. You don't work apparently, or certainly don't win the bread, so no wonder husband-wife roles are so inconvenient for you. You gotta be a man to feel like one, I suppose.

An adoptive family is different, not inferior. And until you have the balls to adopt a child, you should stop talking out your ass.
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Yes....as a matter of fact you did. When someone mentioned adoption, your response was that is was "nothing like a biological family".

And BTW....all three of my children are adopted...and I Love them every bit as much as I would if they were biologically mine.

*** Just to be clear....your exact words from post #81 "they are hardly the same". THAT my friend is devaluing and calling them inferior
 
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disneydude said:
Yes....as a matter of fact you did. When someone mentioned adoption, your response was that is was "nothing like a biological family".

And BTW....all three of my children are adopted...and I Love them every bit as much as I would if they were biologically mine.
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How exactly would you know, pre tel?

And, Mr. Strawman, I didn't say it's "nothing like a biological family"? I said two gay guys with adopted children is not like a traditional biological family. That is true as can be. It's extremely confusing to a child, beyond the natural challenges already in place.

Raising an adopted child is different because they don't have that immediate connection with you as you do them, especially when you don't adopt them at infancy. It takes time to develop, as opposed to my two biological daughters, which was immediate. Adopted kids have to figure it all out amidst a cloud of uncertainty. It is different because it is more delicate from the outset.

Now, stop presenting my points as you conveniently want them to be, or just ignore me.
 
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Erod said:
. And until you have the balls to adopt a child, you should stop talking out your ass.
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And not that you asked...but I'll tell you anyway. When we adopted them, the 6 year old was about 2 grade levels below where he should have been. He could barely read a few words and the 5 year old couldn't read at all. The 5 year old has a fairly serious eye problem that we were told would most likely require an operation to correct it. Fast forward 3 years. The 9 year old is now exceeding his peers and is near the top student in his class. The 8 year old is up to grade level and is progressing well...and since we have been vigilant about requiring him to wear his eye glasses and do his eye exercises, the doctor says he probably won't need an operation.

Oh....and BTW....these were kids that were born to a male/female marriage who ended up in a male/female foster home where they lived for 3 years.

Oh....and in case you haven't figured it out yet, Me and my husband are gay parents.
 
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Erod said:
How exactly would you know, pre tel?

And, Mr. Strawman, I didn't say it's "nothing like a biological family"? I said two gay guys with adopted children is not like a traditional biological family. That is true as can be. It's extremely confusing to a child, beyond the natural challenges already in place.

Raising an adopted child is different because they don't have that immediate connection with you as you do them, especially when you don't adopt them at infancy. It takes time to develop, as opposed to my two biological daughters, which was immediate. Adopted kids have to figure it all out amidst a cloud of uncertainty. It is different because it is more delicate from the outset.

Now, stop presenting my points as you conveniently want them to be, or just ignore me.
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Saying "They are hardly the same" is pretty much like saying they are nothing like a biological family. I'm sorry that you didn't have an immediate connection with your adoptive kids, perhaps they could sense that you viewed them differently than your biological children. My experience with my adoptive kids was completely different.
 
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It has become fun watching conservative bigots try to justify their bigotry as the wave grows against them.
 
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Sababa said:
It has become fun watching conservative bigots try to justify their bigotry as the wave grows against them.
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They are a dying breed, desperately clinging to the last vestiges of discrimination. I actually have pity for them.
 
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disneydude said:
Saying "They are hardly the same" is pretty much like saying they are nothing like a biological family. I'm sorry that you didn't have an immediate connection with your adoptive kids, perhaps they could sense that you viewed them differently than your biological children. My experience with my adoptive kids was completely different.
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And perhaps if you had biological children, you'd understand the difference, which you don't. I said difference, not inferiority, or less than, or substandard, or whatever word you want to derive for me. Different. It's a different set of challenges than when you bring them home from the hospital as your own flesh and blood. It takes a different level of understanding and requires a time allowance than with biological kids. Your kids had to get to know you, and trust you, to depend on you. Biological kids don't even think about it unless their parents are idiots.
 
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Erod said:
And until you have the balls to adopt a child, you should stop talking out your ass.
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BTW...I also forgot to mention that the male/female foster couple wanted to adopted them, however, despite the fact that they had 2 biological children of their own and 1 adoptive son, the social workers refused because they said that they did not believe that they were equipped to give these two boys the structure, time, etc...that they needed.
 
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Erod said:
And perhaps if you had biological children, you'd understand the difference, which you don't. I said difference, not inferiority, or less than, or substandard, or whatever word you want to derive for me. Different. It's a different set of challenges than when you bring them home from the hospital as your own flesh and blood. It takes a different level of understanding and requires a time allowance than with biological kids. Your kids had to get to know you, and trust you, to depend on you. Biological kids don't even think about it unless their parents are idiots.
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I know without a doubt...that there is no way that I could ever love my kids more than I do. Personally, I find it disturbing and sad that you do. I've seen it before in other adoptive families that have their own biological children. I've also seen many adoptive parents who love their adoptive children every bit as much as their biological ones. It saddens me to think that an adoptive children would ever be in a home where they might sense that they are valued less because they are not biological. My children know that "family" does not = blood and know their true value.
 
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disneydude said:
They are a dying breed, desperately clinging to the last vestiges of discrimination. I actually have pity for them.
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I used to wonder if liberals understood the nature of discrimination when they said such things, but I came to realize that they really don't understand that discrimination is a necessary part of the human condition. Well, unless you are going to sleep with all takers, eat all food you come across, allow everyone to use the last of something you have, and buy everything in the store along with a ton of other things. lol.
 
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disneydude said:
BTW...I also forgot to mention that the male/female foster couple wanted to adopted them, however, despite the fact that they had 2 biological children of their own and 1 adoptive son, the social workers refused because they said that they did not believe that they were equipped to give these two boys the structure, time, etc...that they needed.
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Instead, they get to figure out, then explain to their friends and girlfriends, the dynamics of it all.

I'm glad your kids are loved and cared for. But I also think they've got hurdles ahead with their own relationships that they can't understand or contemplate right now. And if you take that challenge on like a gay-marriage political battle, you'll all suffer for it and it won't end well. You wave that gay flag in the face of everything and everyone who challenges or makes judgments your kids' way, and you'll do them a great disservice.

Because it ain't about you anymore when you have kids.

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disneydude said:
I know without a doubt...that there is no way that I could ever love my kids more than I do. Personally, I find it disturbing and sad that you do. I've seen it before in other adoptive families that have their own biological children. I've also seen many adoptive parents who love their adoptive children every bit as much as their biological ones. It saddens me to think that an adoptive children would ever be in a home where they might sense that they are valued less because they are not biological. My children know that "family" does not = blood and know their true value.
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Lets see what happens when a biological child is danger and an adopted one. Which one do you think they will save?
 
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disneydude said:
If there was any doubt that this war is over:

Record Support for Gay Marriage; Half See it as a Constitutional Right - ABC News


Record numbers of Americans in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll support gay marriage, say adoption by gay couples should be legal and see gays and lesbians as good parents. Most oppose a right to refuse service to gays, including on religious grounds. And, by a closer margin, more also accept than reject gay marriage as a constitutional right.

The results continue a dramatic transformation of public attitudes on the issue, led by political, legislative and court-ordered developments alike. Seventeen states now allow gay marriage, and federal courts in four others – most recently Texas and Virginia – have rejected laws banning it.

See PDF with full results and charts here.

http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1159a2GayMarriage.pdf
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nothings over but its going better
 
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Erod said:
It's just not a big deal. If they want to play house, let them play house.

But this will hardly be the end of it. No one invents reasons to play the victim card like the gay community. I swear, they're convinced their ancestors were slaves, too.
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do you look around these threads have you seen some of the assholes they have to deal with?
 
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Erod said:
And perhaps if you had biological children, you'd understand the difference, which you don't. I said difference, not inferiority, or less than, or substandard, or whatever word you want to derive for me. Different. It's a different set of challenges than when you bring them home from the hospital as your own flesh and blood. It takes a different level of understanding and requires a time allowance than with biological kids. Your kids had to get to know you, and trust you, to depend on you. Biological kids don't even think about it unless their parents are idiots.
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I've seen it firsthand with my boys. They have 3 older sisters that are in an adoptive home with a male/female couple that have their own two biological daughters. It disgusts me when we go to their house. The two biological daughters have the best of everything. The three adopted girls are constantly told that "this is what the money the state gives us will provide for you". We met them at Disneyland. The two biological daughters got stuff that the others didn't...to the point, that I finally had enough and went and bought them stuff to make up for it.
 
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blarg said:
nothings over but its going better
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Oh....its over. The dominoes are falling faster and faster every day. This one is in the old refridgerator.
 
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disneydude said:
I know without a doubt...that there is no way that I could ever love my kids more than I do. Personally, I find it disturbing and sad that you do. I've seen it before in other adoptive families that have their own biological children. I've also seen many adoptive parents who love their adoptive children every bit as much as their biological ones. It saddens me to think that an adoptive children would ever be in a home where they might sense that they are valued less because they are not biological. My children know that "family" does not = blood and know their true value.
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Geez, dude, can you read? Did I ever say I love my biological kids more? If you don't think adopted kids require special considerations initially and along the way, then God help your kids.

I don't have to over-explain, and re-explain, this much with my wife. LOL
 
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Henrin said:
Oh boo hoo, we can't adopt children. Cry me a river baby. Cry cry cry..
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or get together with like minded people and expose why that kind of discrimination has no rational or legal basis.
 
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