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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Now run along.
    you said you were going to a while back welcome back by the way

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    There's simply no integrity in the debate to begin with. We've just heaped a new definition on a word that already had a definition. It's like deciding that English is the same language as Russian. You can say it, or pass a law declaring it, but that doesn't make it so. That's where our system has lost any sense of integrity.

    This whole thing is simply about votes and political power. Nothing more. Otherwise this would have been changed sometime in the past 3,000 years or so.
    and that's why making women the legal equals of men makes no sense o wait people ****ing up in the past for a long time doesn't make you right whoops

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    They want to have families...and yes, some choose to have kids, others choose surrogates, some choose adoption.

    But why arent they entitled to the same benefits as other married couples?

    And polygamy is fine with me, I think it's dumb for women, but who cares. As for getting a pig to sign a contract...let me know when that's possible and we'll discuss you marrying one.

    Again....let's stick to the rational, logical here, if you can.
    Thats impossible

    Because they dont fit the states definition of marriage. And again i dont want anyone getting benefits for being married

    So polygamy means one man and many women? Thats not the only way. How about 1 woman with many husbands?
    Yes you should try some logic.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    Then why do states still have these laws?
    Because court challenges take time. Heck, we just stopped involuntarily committing homosexuals about 40 years ago.

    Interracial marriage bans were challenged in the 1800s, and the Pace v Alabama decision ruled that the restrictions on marriage based on race were constitutional in 1883. It took another 80 years for the SCOTUS to overturn this decision.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    No they are not. A man is man and a woman is a woman no matter the race.
    And a person is a person when it comes to being a spouse. No spouse in a marriage has anymore rights/privileges or even responsibilities in a marriage due to their sex.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hold on. So you've just spent a good portion of the thread attempting to use the SCOTUS and their not having ruled on marriage yet as justification for your beleif that the current laws aren't constitutional.

    NOW you're suggesting SCOTUs isn't the final arbiter of whether a law is or isn't constitutional?
    Im not suggesting Im stating facts. No where in the constitution does it give SCOTUS that power

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    They have the same rights under the current laws as everyone else.
    Can I leave my property to my dog? Sure i can. I dont need a legal contract to get married and neither do gays unless i want something from the state
    The definition of having to be the same race was not universal in fact it was the exception

    I dont want to block anyones rights. Im a Libertarian. What part of get government out of the marriage business escapes you? Let anyone marry anyone and anything they like. It wont effect me. If your going to do it go all the way. Of course marriage wont mean much anymore but then again its been all down hill since progressives introduced no fault divorce
    Whatever discrimination is made in the punishment prescribed in the two sections is directed against the offense designated and not against the person of any particular color or race. The punishment of each offending person, whether white or black, is the same.

    Pace v. Alabama (1883) - Profile of Pace v. Alabama, the First Supreme Court Interracial Marriage Case

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You really cannot connect the dots can you?



    Your implied claim was that SSM isnt even worth bothering with because you dont know what causes sexual orientation. As if it doesnt exist even tho you dont know what causes it, lololol. So I gave you examples of things that 'exist' and we cant necessarily explain.



    Good Lord, do we need to stick to words of one syllable for you?
    First off, I don't care about SSM marriage. or for that matter. marriage at all. The state has no business thinking it should be sanctioning marriage or licensing it, or offering people benefits of it. Having a government marriage is not a rights issue, but a contract and equal treatment issue. Besides that, it's just all whiny bitches that I'm sick of hearing from. If people want to get married or not I don't give two flips, but they have no business involving the state in their personal affairs and the state has no business humoring the offer. Get married, hell it's your right to get married, but it's not your right to have a government marriage, and while the fourteenth amendment comes into play because the state is already involved in marriage, for the love of god stop saying government marriage is a right. It is not, and the court never said it was.

    As for what I was doing earlier, no, if you ever bothered to pay attention my argument was simply stating we don't know the causes of being gay, so acting authoritatively that someone is wrong on the matter is shear idiocy.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Perfectly fine.

    Know this. No one, ever, in the history of this forum or any other, has ever changed their opinion based on these meaningless exchanges on the internet anyway. And my side of this has few that care to even bother, while your side pretty much lives on these sites 24/7. I'm in unfriendly territory every time I peak into this digitally socialist baby shower of a chat room.

    We're all just practicing our typing skills and refining our grammatical prowess. Nothing more.
    and posting silly videos

    well some times

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    A legal contract would mean involving the state in marriage would it not? Once more Im against this. Im also not interested in marrying anyone. Who needs it?

    Im a Diest not a christian. Truthfully I hate organized religion. I was just pointing out that the age of consent has varied wildly over the centuries and societies. It took until very recently however for this notion of gay marriage to come about
    The government is involved in recognizing legal family and marriages create legal families of people. They are very little different than adoption records and birth certificates, except for providing an extra contract for the two people involved in the marriage as well because that contract makes things easier for the couple and society as a whole in dealing with issues that come up with marriage and dissolving a marriage.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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