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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Okay ... maybe someone can explain something for me.
    I just heard that there's a young gay female singer on American Idol who revealed last night that she was adopted and raised by 2 gay women when she was quite young.
    Now, does that make anyone else go hmmmmmmmm?

    And yes, this is relevant to a SSM thread.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Okay ... maybe someone can explain something for me.
    I just heard that there's a young gay female singer on American Idol who revealed last night that she was adopted and raised by 2 gay women when she was quite young.
    Now, does that make anyone else go hmmmmmmmm?

    And yes, this is relevant to a SSM thread.
    What should I go "hmmmm?" about? Gay women raise excellent singers? An interesting hypothesis, we should research this.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, and there was no social engineering about anti-discrimination laws and just in general other races and people when I was going to school either. Tell me another one. I will just ignore everything to believe you, promise.
    Yeah, damn that de-segregation movement and all that civil rights equality stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, and there was no social engineering about anti-discrimination laws and just in general other races and people when I was going to school either. Tell me another one. I will just ignore everything to believe you, promise.
    Can you define "social engineering?"
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    I believe they are and until SCOTUS rules on them they are. And even if it says their not i still believe they are.
    Well first, we already established that SCOTUS is the final word...not the only word...and that the constitutionality of those laws are in question and not definitive in nature either way at the moment.

    Second, okay...you think they're constitutional. So do you have an argument to back that up and arguments to counter peoples suggestion that they're not constitutional? Or is it just "That's my opinion because it is, that's why!"

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Can you define "social engineering?"
    Sure?

    The practice of making laws or using other methods to influence public opinion or behavior relating to social problems or social conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The thread is about SSM, not adoption, no matter how far off topic it's gone.
    Don't care really.

    No one has the right to adopt kids but if straight people can, then it's discriminating and wrong to refuse to allow gays to do so, just like with denying them the ability to marry.

    That is what my response was about....seeing if you liked being discriminated against as a man in family courts? Not fair, not right, is it? It's the same type of unfairness....
    Again, not the same thing at all. No one has a right to other peoples children, or frankly to another human being, so the entire argument of adoption is just a matter of what is in the best interest of children. In terms of the fourteenth amendment it would be in the states interest to restrict access to adoption for such reasons. Do you think I was arguing my position not realizing this?

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    I'll just keep twaddling down the road, thanks.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yeah, damn that de-segregation movement and all that civil rights equality stuff!
    Libertarians are not supporters of Egalitarianism, so of course these talks of equality rings hollow to anyone like myself. We might agree with equality under the law and equal protection of rights, but equality in the social sphere outside of that limited scope has really no starting point with people like myself. I have no problem with civil rights if we define under it's original meaning and purpose, but I do not support it being defined in such a way where people are called into duty for other people.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Okay ... maybe someone can explain something for me.
    I just heard that there's a young gay female singer on American Idol who revealed last night that she was adopted and raised by 2 gay women when she was quite young.
    Now, does that make anyone else go hmmmmmmmm?

    And yes, this is relevant to a SSM thread.
    Well, at the very least, she has learned a way of life that children living in a man-woman household would not experience. Has she dated any men to make a comparison to the way she was raised? As a child or young adult, did she have friends who lived in "traditional" households? If she questioned her living arrangements, how was it handled by her "parents?" If she chooses to continue with what she has, that's her decision, of course.

    On the other side of the coin, my cousin has a friend who is a lesbian and was in a long-term relationship...both of them very successful business women, so money was never a concern. They adopted several female babies from a foreign country, and everyone seemed happy. However, for whatever reason I will never know, she decided to start dating men, and left her partner broken-hearted, not only for her loss, but that it was a man who was responsible. Double-whammy for her! She has done a complete 180, got married, and seems happy. No one understands what happened there except her, so who knows.

    Greetings, bubba.

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