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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    That is clearly unconstitutional as they are using race.
    Except it wasn't "clearly" unconstitutional. It had been going on for decades upon decades prior to Loving. If it was so "clear" the laws wouldn't have even been on the books.

    Is homosexuality now a race?
    No, it's not.

    It doesn't have to be though. The Equal Protection Clause doesn't cover just race.

    Additionally, there was a time when Race wasn't viewed as protected under the constitution either.

    Furthermore, as I already noted, "traditional" marriage can be argued as being unconstitutional of the grounds of Gender Discrimination.

    Under our current laws a Man can legally enter into a contract with people a woman can't, and vise versa.

    Can I tell you are homosexual just by looking at you?
    You could theoritically guess, but no not really. You can't look at me and tell me exactly what age I am, but age discrimination is protected constitutionally to a certian degree. You can't look at me and tell me what religion I am just by looking at me. Yet that is protected just as equally as race under the law.

    Is discrimination in any form unconstitutional?
    Absolutely not. It's perfectly okay for the Government to discriminate against people as long as it meets the necessary criteria established through case law as it relates to the Equal Protection Clause. If the state can justify before the courts that the discrimination fits the required level of necessitiy and importance as it relates to the classification in question, then they can discrminate as they see fit. If they can't make said argument convincingly, then they can't discriminate in that fashion.

    Do you even have to love someone to marry them?
    Nope, you don't. You'll never see me arguing about the legalities of marriage based on "love". I think that's far and away one of the weakest arguments and one that invites the most obvious attempts to circumvent the argument.

    To me it's been a simple matter of constitutional standards. The laws we have on the books are not substantly related to serving an important state interest as it relates to their discrimination on the basis of gender, and thus are not constitutional.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    As your arguments fail, it's irrelevant that you think so.



    In order to understand the silliness of the slippery slope route, you have to back up:

    "Once they allow people of different nationalities to marry, they'll be allowed to marry their table."
    "Once they allow people of different religious faiths to marry, they'll be allowed to marry their table."
    "Once they allow people of different races to marry, they'l etc. etc."

    So if you're going to make the slipper slope argument, remember to start at the top of the slope.
    There is no way the marriage laws are against the US constitution.

    Next is to allow people to marry different species. All the groups you mentioned fit the laws of most states. The law was very simple and made sense. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Anyone who fits this category should be allowed to marry. At this point even incest is not a problem as our gene pools have become so varied. Now you want to add a whole new class based on emotions.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe in Canada, don't know. But just like abortion, it starts out as a fight for the right to do something. But it doesn't end there, then the fight moves to the next level where you try to make other people pay for it.
    Our activists have turned to condemning Arizona. We had the abortion fight a while ago and so far it has stayed dead.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe in Canada, don't know. But just like abortion, it starts out as a fight for the right to do something. But it doesn't end there, then the fight moves to the next level where you try to make other people pay for it.
    The goal of gay people is to have you pay for their marriage?

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    nope they are both equal rights and civil rights issues as pointed out in judge rulings

    also not only is your assessment wrong but so is your example/analogy

    might want to look up the word war
    two different examples for dictionaries
    webster
    b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces
    google
    a state of competition, conflict, or hostility between different people or groups.
    "she was at war with her parents"

    so those using war like you described, yes, yes they are using the word correctly
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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Literally arguing semantics. That's how you know your side is losing.
    Losing? You don't even understand the discussion. It's not even categorically debatable.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Except it wasn't "clearly" unconstitutional. It had been going on for decades upon decades prior to Loving. If it was so "clear" the laws wouldn't have even been on the books.



    No, it's not.

    It doesn't have to be though. The Equal Protection Clause doesn't cover just race.

    Additionally, there was a time when Race wasn't viewed as protected under the constitution either.

    Furthermore, as I already noted, "traditional" marriage can be argued as being unconstitutional of the grounds of Gender Discrimination.

    Under our current laws a Man can legally enter into a contract with people a woman can't, and vise versa.



    You could theoritically guess, but no not really. You can't look at me and tell me exactly what age I am, but age discrimination is protected constitutionally to a certian degree. You can't look at me and tell me what religion I am just by looking at me. Yet that is protected just as equally as race under the law.



    Absolutely not. It's perfectly okay for the Government to discriminate against people as long as it meets the necessary criteria established through case law as it relates to the Equal Protection Clause. If the state can justify before the courts that the discrimination fits the required level of necessitiy and importance as it relates to the classification in question, then they can discrminate as they see fit. If they can't make said argument convincingly, then they can't discriminate in that fashion.



    Nope, you don't. You'll never see me arguing about the legalities of marriage based on "love". I think that's far and away one of the weakest arguments and one that invites the most obvious attempts to circumvent the argument.

    To me it's been a simple matter of constitutional standards. The laws we have on the books are not substantly related to serving an important state interest as it relates to their discrimination on the basis of gender, and thus are not constitutional.

    Now its gender discrimination what a joke. Again I want the state out of marriage and no one should be rewarded by the government for getting married.
    And where do you get this

    Under our current laws a Man can legally enter into a contract with people a woman can't, and vise versa.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    There is no way the marriage laws are against the US constitution.
    Demonstrably untrue, and I've already pointed out the why of it to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    Next is to allow people to marry different species. All the groups you mentioned fit the laws of most states. The law was very simple and made sense. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Anyone who fits this category should be allowed to marry. At this point even incest is not a problem as our gene pools have become so varied. Now you want to add a whole new class based on emotions.
    Only if you consider the change to marry outside of the tribe, then outside the nation, then outside the faith, and finally to marry outside your race as "based on emotions."

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You think this is over, it's not. They will find a way to get money out of this, it's not just about the right to do something....it never is. Most gays will probably get married and that'll be the end of it......but not for the activists, because they're in the victimhood business; and business is good.
    Even if that's the case, I don't see that as a reason to combat it.

    "Activists" on EVERY side do this, and it drives me crazy. From Gun Nuts to Environmentalist Whackos, activists NEED controversy to fuel their incessent need for attention, power, self fulfillment, and wealth.

    Annoyance or problems with activists are never a reason in my mind to necessarily oppose or be upset with a generalized notion.

    You pretty much look at every movement. Once they reach their initial goal and seemingly succeed it weakens a bit and then those desperately trying to cling to relevancy and power have ot make it out that succeeding at what they wanted wasn't success and must constantly be creating the impression of a situation hanging on a knife's edge.

    I get the annoyance with that; I just don't think it's anything to really go off of OTHER than feeling annoyed at activists.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    There is no way the marriage laws are against the US constitution.

    Next is to allow people to marry different species. All the groups you mentioned fit the laws of most states. The law was very simple and made sense. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Anyone who fits this category should be allowed to marry. At this point even incest is not a problem as our gene pools have become so varied. Now you want to add a whole new class based on emotions.
    LMAO
    theres no faster way for a post to fail then to equate gays fighting for equal rights to bestiality or marrying other species, its an instant hyperbolic, dishonest failure that nobody honest and educated will ever buy or take seriously

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