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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If there was any doubt that this war is over:

    Record Support for Gay Marriage; Half See it as a Constitutional Right - ABC News



    Record numbers of Americans in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll support gay marriage, say adoption by gay couples should be legal and see gays and lesbians as good parents. Most oppose a right to refuse service to gays, including on religious grounds. And, by a closer margin, more also accept than reject gay marriage as a constitutional right.

    The results continue a dramatic transformation of public attitudes on the issue, led by political, legislative and court-ordered developments alike. Seventeen states now allow gay marriage, and federal courts in four others – most recently Texas and Virginia – have rejected laws banning it.

    See PDF with full results and charts here
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    http://www.langerresearch.com/upload...ayMarriage.pdf
    Let me get this right. There are lots of studies showing the very poor performance of our school system. The dumbing down of America as they call it. And you want to use popular opinion as a measure of what is right?
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Let me get this right. There are lots of studies showing the very poor performance of our school system. The dumbing down of America as they call it. And you want to use popular opinion as a measure of what is right?

    The world has been turned on its head. The founders knew democracy sucked. This is a good example.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You mean like how I don't support anti-discrimination laws? That has nothing to do with supporting bigotry
    But of course it does. In the absence of anti-discrimination laws a lot of bigots would openly discriminate against some people and not opposing that is condoning it.

    but supporting the rights of people to their property, association, labor and service.
    Except none of that is in question here.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Not supporting a law on the matter doesn't mean I support or don't support anything inherently.
    Actually you do even if you deny it or do not understand it.

    If I say people have the right to their property, labor, service and association than that is what I mean.
    Only two possibilities exist here. You totally lack the understanding why that does not apply here, even though in several past post it has been explained, or are attempting to hide the defense of bigotry behind the pretense of defending some rights that are not being attacked.

    People might use those rights to discriminate against others, but that doesn't mean I support such actions.
    No, people discriminate because they are bigots and some ate attempting to defend their bigotry by claiming property rights.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by Penrod View Post
    The world has been turned on its head. The founders knew democracy sucked. This is a good example.
    Unrestricted democracy sucks and they knew it. But then, they limited Franchise when they had control, we don't today.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    But of course it does. In the absence of anti-discrimination laws a lot of bigots would openly discriminate against some people and not opposing that is condoning it.
    Not opposing something could very well mean indifference, which is not actually condoning or supporting anything. It's just indifference, much like nature doesn't support or condone the peoples suffering, but is merely indifferent to it. When the government doesn't act on something that doesn't mean that it condones or supports anything, it could very well mean indifference, or contempt or nothing at all, as the motivations of the government could vary and have not been disclosed.

    As for me, I support the rights of the people; and I understand the foundation of all rights, which is body sovereignty, is a property right much like all other rights and is empowered by the right to discrimination; and any breach of that right by the government is a fundamental breach of all rights, as you can not have rights without protecting it.

    Except none of that is in question here.
    No, all of which come into question given the situation. If the individual must provide you his labor then his right to labor comes into play. If the individual must provide you his service then his right to service comes into play. If at any point his property is used his right to property comes into play. If at any point an association is considered than his right to association comes into play.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Actually you do even if you deny it or do not understand it.
    No, there is no direct connection between the two. You are simply believing that this is black and white and anything you think I believe has to be what I believe. You're wrong.

    Only two possibilities exist here. You totally lack the understanding why that does not apply here, even though in several past post it has been explained, or are attempting to hide the defense of bigotry behind the pretense of defending some rights that are not being attacked.
    I'm hiding nothing. I have made myself clear on this issue hundreds of times by now, and at this point you simply refuse to accept my argument as my honest opinion. I can't make you believe me if you don't desire to do so.

    No, people discriminate because they are bigots and some ate attempting to defend their bigotry by claiming property rights.
    That doesn't really matter to my argument, now does it? Of course not.

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If there was any doubt that this war is over:

    Record Support for Gay Marriage; Half See it as a Constitutional Right - ABC News



    Record numbers of Americans in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll support gay marriage, say adoption by gay couples should be legal and see gays and lesbians as good parents. Most oppose a right to refuse service to gays, including on religious grounds. And, by a closer margin, more also accept than reject gay marriage as a constitutional right.

    The results continue a dramatic transformation of public attitudes on the issue, led by political, legislative and court-ordered developments alike. Seventeen states now allow gay marriage, and federal courts in four others – most recently Texas and Virginia – have rejected laws banning it.

    See PDF with full results and charts here
    .

    http://www.langerresearch.com/upload...ayMarriage.pdf
    of course theres no doubt.
    the victor of the war is going to be equal rights that obvious. You can tell by the sheer panic and fear that bigots and or people who support discrimination are displaying. Its here and in real life and even in government, its hilarious. Theres a couple last ditch efforts and hailmarys but its all for not. Equal rights is winning and nobody cares about the ones that bothers.


    3/3/14 Version 7.0

    22 States with Equal Rights (4 pending)

    Massachusetts - May 17, 2004
    Connecticut - November 12, 2008
    Iowa - April 27, 2009
    Vermont - September 1, 2009
    New Hampshire - January 1, 2010
    Washing D.C. - March 9, 2010
    FALL OF DADT Dec 18, 2010
    New York - July 24, 2011
    Washington - December 6, 2012
    Maine - December 29, 2012
    Maryland - January 1, 2013
    FALL OF DOMA - June 26, 2013
    California - June 28, 2013
    Delaware - July 1, 2013
    Rhode Island - August 1, 2013
    Minnesota - August 1, 2013
    New Jersey - October 21, 2013
    Hawaii - December 2, 2013
    New Mexico – December 19, 2013
    Utah – December 20. 2013 Currently Stayed and will be ruled on with OK)
    Oklahoma - Currently Stayed and will be ruled on with UT)
    GSK v. Abbott Laboratories - January 21, 2014 (could be huge in gay rights, discrimination/heightened scrutiny)
    Kentucky - February 2/14/14 (Must recognize out-of-state marriages) which will lead to their ban being defeated
    Virginia - February 2/14/14 (Stayed)
    Texas - February 2/26/2014 (pending 10th Circuit Court of Appeals)
    Illinois - June 1, 2014 effective

    20 States Working Towards Equal Rights

    13 States with Pending Court Cases to Establish Equal Rights
    Alabama
    Idaho
    Kansas
    Louisiana
    Michigan (Feb 2014 Trial)
    Mississippi
    Missouri
    North Carolina
    Pennsylvania (June 14 Trial)
    South Carolina
    Tennessee (Direct US Constitution Challenge)
    West Virginia
    Wisconsin

    4 States with Court Case(s) and Legislation to establish Equal Rights
    Arizona
    Arkansas (Decision Pending and 2016 ballot)
    Nevada
    Ohio (December 2013 trial) Trial had narrow ruling that Ohio will recognize OTHER state marriages but didn’t impact bans. New cases expected.

    4 States with Legislation to Establish Equal Rights
    Alaska
    Colorado
    Florida
    Oregon

    thats 42 states that could have equal rights by 2016 and some much sooner!

    US Court of Appeals Tracker
    Map: Court Locator
    1st - all states have equal rights
    2nd - all states have equal rights
    3rd - pending
    4th - april/may court case
    5th- pending
    6th - pending
    7th- pending
    8th- two cases that the plaintiffs PLAN to take all the way up if needed but nothing pending
    9th- pending (statement released "as soon as possible")

    Also 3 State Attorney Generals no longer defending the constitutionality of bans, joining the case against them or reviewing their constitutionality
    Nevada
    Oregon
    Pennsylvania

    7 States that still have unequal rights and nothing pending to change it yet, that’s it 7

    Indiana
    Montana
    Nebraska
    Georgia
    North Dakota
    South Dakota
    Wyoming


    #EqualRightsAreWinning!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]
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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    of course theres no doubt.
    the victor of the war is going to be equal rights that obvious. You can tell by the sheer panic and fear that bigots and or people who support discrimination are displaying. Its here and in real life and even in government, its hilarious. Theres a couple last ditch efforts and hailmarys but its all for not. Equal rights is winning and nobody cares about the ones that bothers.


    3/3/14 Version 7.0

    22 States with Equal Rights (4 pending)

    Massachusetts - May 17, 2004
    Connecticut - November 12, 2008
    Iowa - April 27, 2009
    Vermont - September 1, 2009
    New Hampshire - January 1, 2010
    Washing D.C. - March 9, 2010
    FALL OF DADT Dec 18, 2010
    New York - July 24, 2011
    Washington - December 6, 2012
    Maine - December 29, 2012
    Maryland - January 1, 2013
    FALL OF DOMA - June 26, 2013
    California - June 28, 2013
    Delaware - July 1, 2013
    Rhode Island - August 1, 2013
    Minnesota - August 1, 2013
    New Jersey - October 21, 2013
    Hawaii - December 2, 2013
    New Mexico – December 19, 2013
    Utah – December 20. 2013 Currently Stayed and will be ruled on with OK)
    Oklahoma - Currently Stayed and will be ruled on with UT)
    GSK v. Abbott Laboratories - January 21, 2014 (could be huge in gay rights, discrimination/heightened scrutiny)
    Kentucky - February 2/14/14 (Must recognize out-of-state marriages) which will lead to their ban being defeated
    Virginia - February 2/14/14 (Stayed)
    Texas - February 2/26/2014 (pending 10th Circuit Court of Appeals)
    Illinois - June 1, 2014 effective

    20 States Working Towards Equal Rights

    13 States with Pending Court Cases to Establish Equal Rights
    Alabama
    Idaho
    Kansas
    Louisiana
    Michigan (Feb 2014 Trial)
    Mississippi
    Missouri
    North Carolina
    Pennsylvania (June 14 Trial)
    South Carolina
    Tennessee (Direct US Constitution Challenge)
    West Virginia
    Wisconsin

    4 States with Court Case(s) and Legislation to establish Equal Rights
    Arizona
    Arkansas (Decision Pending and 2016 ballot)
    Nevada
    Ohio (December 2013 trial) Trial had narrow ruling that Ohio will recognize OTHER state marriages but didn’t impact bans. New cases expected.

    4 States with Legislation to Establish Equal Rights
    Alaska
    Colorado
    Florida
    Oregon

    thats 42 states that could have equal rights by 2016 and some much sooner!

    US Court of Appeals Tracker
    Map: Court Locator
    1st - all states have equal rights
    2nd - all states have equal rights
    3rd - pending
    4th - april/may court case
    5th- pending
    6th - pending
    7th- pending
    8th- two cases that the plaintiffs PLAN to take all the way up if needed but nothing pending
    9th- pending (statement released "as soon as possible")

    Also 3 State Attorney Generals no longer defending the constitutionality of bans, joining the case against them or reviewing their constitutionality
    Nevada
    Oregon
    Pennsylvania

    7 States that still have unequal rights and nothing pending to change it yet, that’s it 7

    Indiana
    Montana
    Nebraska
    Georgia
    North Dakota
    South Dakota
    Wyoming


    #EqualRightsAreWinning!!!!!!!!!!!!
    [/QUOTE]


    You dont want equal rights . You progressives want special rights for special groups. You love to categorize people and set them against each other. If we dont agree with you we are bigots Who could oppose equal rights?

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    Re: Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162]


    You dont want equal rights . You progressives want special rights for special groups. You love to categorize people and set them against each other. If we dont agree with you we are bigots Who could oppose equal rights?[/QUOTE]

    what's special about gay marriage?

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