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Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162:334]

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It is my understanding that love and the desire to build a life with another person is what makes them the same.

Yeah, except that wouldn't make the marriage itself the same. That would just make their reasons for entering into the marriage the same. I'm not judging the marriage as good or bad, but just saying there is very little chance all things considered the marriage is the same.
 
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I wasn't talking about sex. Try to keep up.

You were talking about sexual organs. What other importance do they have to you? Other than sexual organs...what makes a gay marriage and a straight marriage different, in your mind?
 
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You were talking about sexual organs. What other importance do they have to you?

I was talking about the nature of men and women, not sex or their sexual organs. Again, try to keep up.
 
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If a state wants to legalize SSM, go for it.

However, this poll is highly misleading.
 
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I was talking about the nature of men and women, not sex or their sexual organs. Again, try to keep up.

LOL....what is the nature of man? What is the nature of woman? This should be good.
 
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I was talking about the nature of men and women, not sex or their sexual organs. Again, try to keep up.

Other than sexual organs....what makes a gay marriage different than a straight marriage in your mind?
 
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LOL....what is the nature of man? What is the nature of woman? This should be good.

Do you believe men and women are the same? What would lead you to that conclusion? What evidence do you have that men and women behave or respond to situations the same? For that matter, what makes you think that a man and woman want the same thing out of a relationship?
 
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Yeah, except that wouldn't make the marriage itself the same. That would just make their reasons for entering into the marriage the same. I'm not judging the marriage as good or bad, but just saying there is very little chance all things considered the marriage is the same.

You could take two straight married couples and almost guarantee that their marriages are not the same. Whether or not their marriage is exactly the same as anybody else is pointless to consider. The important thing is why they want to get married.
 
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How does a gay pride parage hurt society and children? I've been to probably at least 20-25 gay pride parades and have yet to see anything even close to the type of behavior that you see "straight" people engaging in yearly at mardi gras. The most you might see at a gay pride parade are outrageously flamboyant drag queens and a few boys in go go shorts.

BTW....I take my children every year. They love it....and I haven't seen hardly anything that I think is inappropriate for them. Quite the contrary. They were approached and handed a "coloring book" by anti-gay evangelists last year that included a lot of material that was sexually explicit and very inappropriate. Probably trying to "scare" kids straight. Personally, I found it disgusting.

You compare Mardi Gras to LGBT parades? Absurd.

One of the larger parades takes place outside my front door every year. If public decency laws were enforced, hundreds would be arrested. I think horse tail butt plugs, and simulated anal sex by float riders is most likely not taking place on Mardi Gras floats.

There is no comparison, and it's stupid to try to make one. I can provide an avalanche of picture examples if you'd like.

Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. I just think it's about as lame and mentally void to pull this kind of crap in public as it can be. Claiming is does society no harm, or children no harm, is just ignoring reality.
 
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Do you believe men and women are the same? What would lead you to that conclusion? What evidence do you have that men and women behave or respond to situations the same? For that matter, what makes you think that a man and woman want the same thing out of a relationship?

I don't think that any generic woman responds to the same situation the same as any other generic woman. I think every man and woman are unique and different. I don't think that there are things that are inherently similar in all women or men. I think most women and men want the same thing out of a relationship. Then again....I'm not of the mentality that envisions a woman in an apron dancing around the house dusting and preparing dinner for her 3 piece suit/briefcase husband.
 
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So considering that men and women are different exactly how is the marriage between two people of the same sex the same as a marriage between people of the opposite sex? This should be fun.

LOL. If a Husband is African American and the wife is White how is that exactly like the married couple that both husband and wife are African Americans?

Not exactly the same...is one couple "more married" than the other?

Your reasoning on gender is no more valid as my lame example.
 
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You compare Mardi Gras to LGBT parades? Absurd.

One of the larger parades takes place outside my front door every year. If public decency laws were enforced, hundreds would be arrested. I think horse tail butt plugs, and simulated anal sex by float riders is most likely not taking place on Mardi Gras floats.

There is no comparison, and it's stupid to try to make one. I can provide an avalanche of picture examples if you'd like.

Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. I just think it's about as lame and mentally void to pull this kind of crap in public as it can be. Claiming is does society no harm, or children no harm, is just ignoring reality.

I'm not sure where you live, but that certainly is not the case in Los Angeles or San Diego where I have attended....I have also been to Mardi Gras and I can tell you....public nudity was rampant.

BTW - Don't you live in Newport Beach?
 
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LOL. If a Husband is African American and the wife is White how is that exactly like the married couple that both husband and wife are African Americans?

Not exactly the same...is one couple "more married" than the other?

Your reasoning on gender is no more valid as my lame example.

I'm not making an excuse for anything, but exploring an idea. Try to not read to much into thought experiments that I might conduct.
 
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I don't think that any generic woman responds to the same situation the same as any other generic woman. I think every man and woman are unique and different. I don't think that there are things that are inherently similar in all women or men. I think most women and men want the same thing out of a relationship. Then again....I'm not of the mentality that envisions a woman in an apron dancing around the house dusting and preparing dinner for her 3 piece suit/briefcase husband.

So you are of the belief that men and women are exactly the same? You do realize that has been debunked, right?
 
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If one feels that the LGBT "groups" have an "in your face" attitude", then that lies within the offended person.

Whom should do the modifing?

Actually, I think things like simulated anal sex, stroking one's dick through a G-string while riding parade floats, or using butt plug horse tails, is probably a bit heavy on the "in your face" attitude, don't you think?

Perhaps holding such events in a more controlled/restricted environment would do the cause better, rather than closing down public streets, demanding police ignore public decency laws, and forcing everyone to tolerate behavior they should not be forced to tolerate.

If the objective is to say "F you" public, the objective is being met. If the objective is to say, "hey we're just like you", the objective is an complete failure.
 
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You are of the belief that men and women are exactly the same? You do realize that has been debunked, right?

No. I never said that. But it is also ludicrous to believe that every woman is exactly like every woman and every man is exactly like every man. I would venture to say that there is probably as much different between Woman A, B, and C....as there is between Woman A and Man E, F and G.
 
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Actually, I think things like simulated anal sex, stroking one's dick through a G-string while riding parade floats, or using butt plug horse tails, is probably a bit heavy on the "in your face" attitude, don't you think?

Perhaps holding such events in a more controlled/restricted environment would do the cause better, rather than closing down public streets, demanding police ignore public decency laws, and forcing everyone to tolerate behavior they should not be forced to tolerate.

If the objective is to say "F you" public, the objective is being met. If the objective is to say, "hey we're just like you", the objective is an complete failure.

Sorry.....you are buying into the right-wing "Gay Pride Parade" Myth. I have been to several and I have never seen simulated anal sex and stroking of dicks through G-strings. In fact, 90% of the participants in Los Angeles are religious groups, community groups such as Project Angel Food, AidsProject, Support groups, politicians, .....You have a very mistaken belief of what a gay pride parade is. Then again...you live behind the Orange curtain...so I'm not surprised in the least.

The fact that you lied about "one of the biggest parades" is right outside your front door...speaks volumes. Orange County doesn't even have a gay pride parade and hasn't had one for several years. They have a festival, but not a parade.
 
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Actually, I think things like simulated anal sex, stroking one's dick through a G-string while riding parade floats, or using butt plug horse tails, is probably a bit heavy on the "in your face" attitude, don't you think?

Perhaps holding such events in a more controlled/restricted environment would do the cause better, rather than closing down public streets, demanding police ignore public decency laws, and forcing everyone to tolerate behavior they should not be forced to tolerate.

If the objective is to say "F you" public, the objective is being met. If the objective is to say, "hey we're just like you", the objective is an complete failure.

Neo Nazis, skinheads, and KKK racists march down the street. Guess what, I don't go watch them.


Dude...don't go to the parades.
 
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No. I never said that. But it is also ludicrous to believe that every woman is exactly like every woman and every man is exactly like every man. I would venture to say that there is probably as much different between Woman A, B, and C....as there is between Woman A and Man E, F and G.

Why do you think societies from all around the world that never had any sort of connection what so ever all basically formed the same roles for the sexes? Isn't it odd that happened? Could it be, and it is, that it was innate differences in the sexes that lead to that result? Sure, there was short periods of time people could find where we departed from it, like the genderless society of France for less than a decade, but besides complete and utter failures like that, I think you will find it was the differences in the sexes that made things turn out the way they did. Sure, not everyone is the same, but then again, I never argued that.

To get back to the point, how do you think the sexes complement each other?
 
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Why do you think societies from all world that never had any sort of connection what so ever all basically formed the same roles for the sexes? Isn't it odd that happened? Could it be, and it is, that it was innate differences in the sexes that lead to that result? Sure, there was short periods of time people could find where we departed from it, like the genderless society of France for less than a decade, but besides complete and utter failures like that, I think you will find it was the differences in the sexes that made things turn out the way they did. Sure, not everyone is the same, but then again, I never argued that.

It could easily be argued that it had more to do with easy identification of differences between sexual organs and the easy categorization. The history of the world is filled with thousands of examples of the subjugation of women....but that would require taking a look and and understanding History and how history shapes our societies. In other words, I think its much more a result of history than it is of biology.

That said....What in your mind is so different about gay marriages and straight marriages, even if you adopt your "nature of man" views?
 
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Neo Nazis, skinheads, and KKK racists march down the street. Guess what, I don't go watch them.


Dude...don't go to the parades.

He doesn't. In fact, I doubt he has ever seen one. He claims that "One of the biggest parades in the nation is right outside his front door"....but we know from previous posts that the guy lives in Newport Beach (There is no gay pride parade in Newport Beach BTW.....so we know he is being dishonest).
 
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Do you believe men and women are the same? What would lead you to that conclusion? What evidence do you have that men and women behave or respond to situations the same? For that matter, what makes you think that a man and woman want the same thing out of a relationship?

Whether men and woman are more alike that not...or not anything alike, has absoultly no bearing on marriage.

"Do you believe men and women are the same?" Under the law both men and women enjoy the same rights and priviledges.
 
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It could easily be argued that it had more to do with easy identification of differences between sexual organs and the easy categorization. The history of the world is filled with thousands of examples of the subjugation of women....but that would require taking a look and and understanding History and how history shapes our societies. In other words, I think its much more a result of history than it is of biology.

I knew you would go back to the subjugation of women crap. Not all societies throughout history did such things, and with very little exception all of those societies had more or less the same gender roles. Your doing your best to ignore the obvious, but it's not going to just go away.
 
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I knew you would go back to the subjugation of women crap. Not all societies throughout history did such things, and with very little exception all of those societies had more or less the same gender roles. Your doing your best to ignore the obvious, but it's not going to just go away.

Not at all. I just don't view marriage about sexual organs. You obviously put a greater role on that...or perhaps thats all you can fall back on. The reality is, in most marriage, straight or otherwise, sex and sexual organs are among the least important aspects of a marriage. At least in the successful ones. I would venture to say that probably a great many of the marriages that fail are the ones that like you, put too much emphasis on sex and sexual organs...and once the initial excitement wears off, there isn't a foundation to support the marriage.
 
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