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    Re: EPA Set to reveal new Sulfer regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "I alter my vehicle, and it gets different mileage than what the claim is for the base model!"

    Holy **** you just can't make this stuff up.

    What kind of vehicle do you drive?
    No two vehicles of the same make and model will ever get the exact same mileage at any time during their life cycles. The reason is that two drivers will never have the exact same driving habits and patterns, one vehicle may be made for light duty while another might get ragged out. One vehicle may be properly maintained and the other might be getting the **** kicked out of it from it's owner on the maintenance end. The air conditions of a place will determine part of that as well, the density of air, humidity, temperature of it, elevation of landscape, etc.

    That's why the EPA can only issue estimates, and as has been pointed out the "average" that they put in is not consistent as a set.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: EPA Set to reveal new Sulfer regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Great, now the greenies are going to attack oil the same way they've been attacking coal....Take a look around WV, and SE KY these days, and take it all in, that is the new norm progressives want.
    Yes, oh the horrors of an energy policy that does not require that we blow up entire mountains and destroy thousands of miles of rivers and streams.

    This is how we get coal. We turn places like this:



    Into this:

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    Is that what you want?
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    Re: EPA Set to reveal new Sulfer regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    It is the price we pay.
    Why is it okay to ask people to tow your freight? If you want these half done ideas put into place, you cannot dismiss the costs you put on everyone, this is something that is unproven, literally only campaigned for by economic vampires(environmentalists) and passed along by politicians with less ethos than Bernie Madoff.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: EPA Set to reveal new Sulfer regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Because, at least where the lung cancer, emphysema and other respiratory diseases are concerned, I know they haven't because it would be impossible to accomplish short of putting the test groups in total isolation for a lifetime. Further, I know they have been wrong on other things also. I argued for years that their parts per million measures were an inaccurate measuring of pollutants. Funny, I still say that and yet the EPA has now, after 40+ years, has now changed to grams/mile. In other words, I was correct the whole time, regardless of the number of environmentalist and enviro-supporters that said I was wrong and full of ****.
    You are incorrect.
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    Re: EPA Set to reveal new Sulfer regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    It is the price we pay.
    Typical liberal. Has absolutely no problem dipping into someone else's pockets, without permission, and takes their money.

    Also as typical, using the government power to do so.

    Hey listen. You are more than welcome to send extra checks in to the oil companies if you don't think that you are paying enough. Just be sure to leave me alone and not keep costing me more and more money. K?

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    Re: EPA Set to reveal new Sulfer regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You are incorrect.
    Wow, now there is a very informative statement with incredible amount of data backing it up.
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    Re: EPA Set to reveal new Sulfer regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    True, nor did I say that. However, to scientifically verify a result of a particular process, it must be isolated from other process/data which could generate the same results. Otherwise, you cannot prove that that process or item is a causal factor. A researcher looking at whether a particular particle cause a particular disease, then the study must be set up to isolate any other factor that would cause the same disease. They wouldn't have to isolate it from, say, the herpes, but anything that can cause a "false positive" has to be removed or the data is corrupted.
    You sound like a tobacco industry lobbyist in the 1980s and early 90s. We know that all things being equal, auto emissions result in poorer air quality and higher pollution levels, in particular higher ozone and particulate pollution levels. We know that high ozone and particulate pollution levels increase the likelihood of a whole host of lung diseases. What do you think those ozone alert days are for? We also know that as populations increase and thus population densities increase, environmental protections have to strengthen proportionately to achieve the same results.
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    Re: EPA Set to reveal new Sulfer regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "I alter my vehicle, and it gets different mileage than what the claim is for the base model!"

    Holy **** you just can't make this stuff up.

    What kind of vehicle do you drive?
    He obviously lives in an alternate universe with different laws of physics.
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    Re: EPA Set to reveal new Sulfer regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    No two vehicles of the same make and model will ever get the exact same mileage at any time during their life cycles. The reason is that two drivers will never have the exact same driving habits and patterns, one vehicle may be made for light duty while another might get ragged out. One vehicle may be properly maintained and the other might be getting the **** kicked out of it from it's owner on the maintenance end. The air conditions of a place will determine part of that as well, the density of air, humidity, temperature of it, elevation of landscape, etc.

    That's why the EPA can only issue estimates, and as has been pointed out the "average" that they put in is not consistent as a set.
    Well per his location he lives in Texas. Thus he is running his A/C, most likely lives in an area with fairly high average wind speeds, and is not living at elevation so air densities would be higher (my car gets much better mpg in Colorado or Wyoming than it does in KC for example). Moreover, if he lives around Houston, then all that smog and filth in the air there has got to add additional drag to his vehicles.

    That all said, warmer climates typically give you better mpg in winter than colder climates since when its really cold out your vehicle idles at a high rpm for a long time until it warms.
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    Re: EPA Set to reveal new Sulfer regulations

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Well per his location he lives in Texas. Thus he is running his A/C, most likely lives in an area with fairly high average wind speeds, and is not living at elevation so air densities would be higher (my car gets much better mpg in Colorado or Wyoming than it does in KC for example). Moreover, if he lives around Houston, then all that smog and filth in the air there has got to add additional drag to his vehicles.

    That all said, warmer climates typically give you better mpg in winter than colder climates since when its really cold out your vehicle idles at a high rpm for a long time until it warms.
    There are a ton of factors, in the "sweet spot" when the air is just cold enough to be heavy you get better combustion so there is a slight pickup in power and the engine works less contributing to a positive MPG, but like you said when it's so cold the engine struggles you get into the negative. Then there are the lead foots like me or the people who drive extremely slow which skews the MPG between the "exact" same two vehicles. Even something as small as having a dirty car will affect drag as you've stated. Even something like having a sensor go out or a plug wire that is just degraded enough to fire "properly" but not as hotly as the perfectly functional wires can hurt your mileage.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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