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US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

Grant said:
This appears to be a good initiative by the Obama Administration and one that will be a win for Obama and a win for Putin as well.

Putin will get the Crimea, as he wanted, and Obama will get credit for stopping Russia from absorbing the entire Ukraine. Perhaps this is the 'flexibility' Obama once referred to.
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Heya Grant. :2wave: Flexibility?.....Oh is that what they are calling it now. :roll:


Admin officials tell CNN's Barbara Starr this is an "uncontested arrival" not necessarily "an invasion" and that this distinction is "key.".....snip~


Yeah, I guess they could try and go with that. :lol:
 
Lerxst said:
Just checking the news outlets for updates on this situation and what I'm seeing is that while Congress and President Obama are pushing for economic sanctions against Russia, Europe is urging the U.S. to slow down and let them set the pace. Why? Because U.S. policy on a European problem will most likely negatively impact our European allies as much or more so than it will Russia.

Why can't we just slow the **** down, let another 3rd party country take the lead on this. Say Germany? Why must it be us, especially when we appear to be out of step with those most affected? I get the feeling that what Germany and the rest of the EU really want to say to us is "hey...America...chill the **** out, please."
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The Europeans don't have a history of successfully defusing these situations.
 
MMC said:
Heya Grant. :2wave: Flexibility?.....Oh is that what they are calling it now. :roll:


Admin officials tell CNN's Barbara Starr this is an "uncontested arrival" not necessarily "an invasion" and that this distinction is "key.".....snip~


Yeah, I guess they could try and go with that. :lol:
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Hi MMC!

Obama promised 'flexibility' with Putin after the election, and I'm wondering whether this is it. Obama's Private Message to Putin Overheard | Video - ABC News
 
By the way, I think the Russian aid package to the Ukraine was 37 billion dollars if I recall. So, I think 1 billion is a bit short.

EU needs to contribute at least 5 billion for every billion we contribute. This is their fight, we're just involved because they need us to be.
 
MMC said:
Heya Grant. :2wave: Flexibility?.....Oh is that what they are calling it now. :roll:


Admin officials tell CNN's Barbara Starr this is an "uncontested arrival" not necessarily "an invasion" and that this distinction is "key.".....snip~


Yeah, I guess they could try and go with that. :lol:
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"uncontested arrival":2rofll:
 
Fearandloathing said:
"uncontested arrival":2rofll:
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Yes F&L.....and that distinction, is KEY!
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apdst said:
Better than the Euros.

We won the cold war, remember?
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Peter Grimm said:
Actually, yes. Cuba, for one.
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Grant said:
Yes, North Americans have lived together in peace for a very long while. Not so the Europeans.
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Really? In European issues we have a track record of diffusing situations? Like what? Cuba? Well that wasn't really a European situation, that was a Caribbean situation involving Russia and the US. But okay...that's one. What other situations have we diffused?

How did we diffuse the situation in Kuwait? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation with Iraq/Saddam Hussein? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation with Afghanistan/Taliban? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation with Panama? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation in the Balkans? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation in Vietnam? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation in Korea? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation in Grenada? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation in Libya? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation in Somalia? We didn't.
How did we diffuse the situation in Syria? We didn't.
How did we diffuse the situation in Egypt? We didn't.
How did we diffuse the situation in Mexico? We didn't.

That's not really diffusing anything. That's shooting and bombing ****. Pretty much the antithesis of diffusion. But I see where you get the idea we have a really good track record. Yeah we haven't gone to war with Canada lately.

And "we" as in the U.S., did not win the Cold War all by ourselves. If you think we did you are quite wrong. We had a lot of help...much of it European. Oh...and Mikhail Gorbachev had a big role as well. Maybe look up Perestroika and Glasnost. To say "the U.S. won the Cold War" is to betray a lack of understanding of the Cold War, who "fought" it, and how it was "fought."

But please, show me some more examples of how we have successfully "diffused" situations.
 
Lerxst said:
Really? In European issues we have a track record of diffusing situations? Like what? Cuba? Well that wasn't really a European situation, that was a Caribbean situation involving Russia and the US. But okay...that's one. What other situations have we diffused?

How did we diffuse the situation in Kuwait? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation with Iraq/Saddam Hussein? Militarily.
How did we diffuse with Afghanistan/Taliban? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation with Panama? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation in the Balkans? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation in Vietnam? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation in Korea? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation in Grenada? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation in Libya? Militarily.
How did we diffuse the situation in Somalia? We didn't.
How did we diffuse the situation in Syria? We didn't.
How did we diffuse the situation in Egypt? We didn't.

That's not really diffusing anything. That's shooting and bombing ****. Pretty much the antithesis of diffusion.

And "we" as in the U.S., did not win the Cold War all by ourselves. If you think we did you are quite wrong. We had a lot of help...much of it European. Oh...and Mikhail Gorbachev had a big role as well. Maybe look up Perestroika and Glasnost. To say "the U.S. won the Cold War" is to betray a lack of understanding of the Cold War, who "fought" it, and how it was "fought."

But please, show me some more examples of how we have successfully "diffused" situations.
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We got'er done, either way. That's all that counts.

How well do you think the Euros are going to do defusing this one?

Ukraine: UK rules out Russia trade curbs? - BBC News | UK Fresh News - thenews-uk.com
 
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