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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    This is a fruitless move. The only leverage the west would have would be to economically isolate Russia, and that is not going to happen. The west is not even united on punishing Iran over their nuke program, why would Putin assume that Russia will be isolated over this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    That was a completely different time, a completely different geopolitical reality. Russia is not the Soviet Union of the Cold War. Their play in the Crimea isn't the same as say the Cuban Missile Crisis or Afghanistan. Reagan stood up to the Soviet with words and defense spending. They actually believed Reagan was crazy enough to end the world. I don't want that in a President. Not in this day and age. The world already thinks we are the greatest threat global peace that exists.

    Sorry, but I don't believe we should be the World Police. I don't believe this is a problem for the U.S. This isn't Nazi Germany in the 30's, this isn't Eastern Europe during the Cold War. Is it provocative and disturbing? Yes. Nobody likes it. Everybody is pissed at Putin. But this isn't worth risking a full scale war in Europe over. Hell the Crimean citizenship doesn't want to be part of the Ukraine anyway. They were already trying to secede and position themselves closer to Russia before this happened. It's not like they are needing "liberated."

    The last time the U.S. tried to export "freedom and democracy" we leveled two nations into ruin and killed tens of thousands of people in the process.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    That was a completely different time, a completely different geopolitical reality. Russia is not the Soviet Union of the Cold War. Their play in the Crimea isn't the same as say the Cuban Missile Crisis or Afghanistan. Reagan stood up to the Soviet with words and defense spending. They actually believed Reagan was crazy enough to end the world. I don't want that in a President. Not in this day and age. The world already thinks we are the greatest threat global peace that exists.

    Sorry, but I don't believe we should be the World Police. I don't believe this is a problem for the U.S. This isn't Nazi Germany in the 30's, this isn't Eastern Europe during the Cold War. Is it provocative and disturbing? Yes. Nobody likes it. Everybody is pissed at Putin. But this isn't worth risking a full scale war in Europe over. Hell the Crimean citizenship doesn't want to be part of the Ukraine anyway. They were already trying to secede and position themselves closer to Russia before this happened. It's not like they are needing "liberated."

    The last time the U.S. tried to export "freedom and democracy" we leveled two nations into ruin and killed tens of thousands of people in the process.
    And, they know Obama doesn't have the balls to get into a fire-fight, much less destroy the world. Because of that, they're going to push him around.

    You may not want toughness in a president, but the bad guys do and they're going to take advantage if it; potentially costing American lives.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, they know Obama doesn't have the balls to get into a fire-fight, much less destroy the world. Because of that, they're going to push him around.

    You may not want toughness in a president, but the bad guys do and they're going to take advantage if it; potentially costing American lives.
    Wrong. Obama has had no issue whatsoever using the U.S. military. You have no stick with which to accurately measure Obama's resolve. Just because he's not running around starting wars all over the globe doesn't mean he's a pussy. It means he understands the price of war goes beyond a dollar sign. In case you didn't know the rest of the world damn near despises the U.S. because of our addiction to killing people from other countries.

    I don't care who the President is, the U.S. is not in any position to go to war with Russia over the Crimea. We couldn't afford it and the ROI would be absolutely ZERO. Putin isn't coming after the West. He isn't going after Berlin, Paris, Rome, or London. He's damn sure not going after Washington. He's using his military to influence a regional issue in his own backyard. And many of the people who actually live there support the Russian forces being there. One has to suspend disbelief in order to work this into some kind of threat to all of Europe or the U.S.

    The hawkish American response is one of penis envy it seems. It's almost as if the Pentagon's ego were hurt or something. "Putin sent some troops into the Crimea? Holy **** if we don't go blow them up people might think we aren't the toughest anymore! We can't have that!"
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Let Ukraine collapse and Russia occupy/conquer it too. The issue of whether we would defend any Eastern European country or honor any agreements to do so has been answered: "No."

    A billion dollars to Ukraine is just spending a billion to help out Russia. Let Ukraine go into chaos. All the trouble of that will land on Russia. Racing to give Ukraine a billion dollars is truly stupid. Why not just give it to Putin?

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Wrong. Obama has had no issue whatsoever using the U.S. military. You have no stick with which to accurately measure Obama's resolve. Just because he's not running around starting wars all over the globe doesn't mean he's a pussy. It means he understands the price of war goes beyond a dollar sign. In case you didn't know the rest of the world damn near despises the U.S. because of our addiction to killing people from other countries.

    I don't care who the President is, the U.S. is not in any position to go to war with Russia over the Crimea. We couldn't afford it and the ROI would be absolutely ZERO. Putin isn't coming after the West. He isn't going after Berlin, Paris, Rome, or London. He's damn sure not going after Washington. He's using his military to influence a regional issue in his own backyard. And many of the people who actually live there support the Russian forces being there. One has to suspend disbelief in order to work this into some kind of threat to all of Europe or the U.S.

    The hawkish American response is one of penis envy it seems. It's almost as if the Pentagon's ego were hurt or something. "Putin sent some troops into the Crimea? Holy **** if we don't go blow them up people might think we aren't the toughest anymore! We can't have that!"
    Two words: red line

    He screwed the pooch in Syria. He has weakened our military in the eyes of the Russians.

    Obama will never unleash our military. He's a coward.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Two words: red line

    He screwed the pooch in Syria. He has weakened our military in the eyes of the Russians.

    Obama will never unleash our military. He's a coward.
    He did NOT screw anything in Syria. He was prevented by law, ethics and common sense from attacking Syria. It's amazing you don't understand that. He had no problem "unleashing" our military in Libya, and he has no right unleashing it in the Ukraine.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You seem to be sad that a corrupt govt. has been overthrown and there is a chance for a real democracy in the Ukraine. Or maybe it is that you don't have a clue.


    Or maybe you have no idea what I am thinking and you should not guess...next time just ask.

    My post meant exactly what it said.


    And for the record, I am glad ANY corrupt government is overthrown - especially is it is peacefully done (or at least, relatively so).

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He did NOT screw anything in Syria. He was prevented by law, ethics and common sense from attacking Syria. It's amazing you don't understand that. He had no problem "unleashing" our military in Libya, and he has no right unleashing it in the Ukraine.
    That is exactly opposite what is correct. He had no basis to go to war against Libya without congressional approval. That is specifically prohibited by the Constitution.

    He can legally take actions concerning Ukraine because there already is a treaty concerning invasion of Ukraine.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He did NOT screw anything in Syria. He was prevented by law, ethics and common sense from attacking Syria. It's amazing you don't understand that. He had no problem "unleashing" our military in Libya, and he has no right unleashing it in the Ukraine.
    He should have never threatened to do so! Damn! Why is this so hard for you people to understand??
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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