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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    A unified free world, led by leaders like Mr. Cantor supporting the President, is a great start.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    That's in his mind. And that's what will be his undoing. The Russian people won't respond well to much more of his antics. Not when it begins costing Russian lives and negatively impacting an already stressful domestic economic situation. Which it will. He can't take down NATO, he can't take down America. If he starts shooting in Ukraine the he will suffer consequences at home from his own people.
    He's not trying to take down NATO or the US. And it would appear he doesn't need to start shooting in the Ukraine. All the talk about similarities to WW2 and Hitler, imperialism and invasion for conquest is up over the top. I don't think you're saying that but some are.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

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    What makes you think my argument is based on any kind of emotion? Are you that desperate to respond to my comments?

    You seem to worship Putin, more than you do Obama!
    Worship?? How to you figure I'm an admirer of Obama?
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Just as I thought...this whole Russian situation was deliberately overblown by the Ukranian interim government to get sympathy (and money) from the West.

    Looks like it worked.

    I doubt the Ukranian gov't. ever truly believed the Russians would seriously invade Ukraine-proper (which the Crimea is not).
    You seem to be sad that a corrupt govt. has been overthrown and there is a chance for a real democracy in the Ukraine. Or maybe it is that you don't have a clue.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    A unified free world, led by leaders like Mr. Cantor supporting the President, is a great start.
    Supporting the president, to do what? The president has to actually do something, to support him.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Perhaps, if there's anyone in the world to stand up to him. I don't know of anyone.
    I'm not sure what you mean by "stand up to him." Do you mean send troops after him?
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

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    Worship?? How to you figure I'm an admirer of Obama?
    How?
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by "stand up to him." Do you mean send troops after him?
    Not necessarily. Reagan stood up to the Soviets and never sent troops after them.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He's not trying to take down NATO or the US. And it would appear he doesn't need to start shooting in the Ukraine. All the talk about similarities to WW2 and Hitler, imperialism and invasion for conquest is up over the top. I don't think you're saying that but some are.
    I agree. And my point about NATO is that people are claiming if we don't stop him here he will take the Ukraine, then he will be in a position to come after NATO countries. And then they start with with the Nazi Germany comparisons. It's not even remotely the same type of situation and I don't believe Putin is even entertaining a play against NATO. He simply wants Ukraine to stay in the Russian sphere. It's all hyped up fear mongering and rhetoric at this point.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not necessarily. Reagan stood up to the Soviets and never sent troops after them.
    That was a completely different time, a completely different geopolitical reality. Russia is not the Soviet Union of the Cold War. Their play in the Crimea isn't the same as say the Cuban Missile Crisis or Afghanistan. Reagan stood up to the Soviet with words and defense spending. They actually believed Reagan was crazy enough to end the world. I don't want that in a President. Not in this day and age. The world already thinks we are the greatest threat global peace that exists.

    Sorry, but I don't believe we should be the World Police. I don't believe this is a problem for the U.S. This isn't Nazi Germany in the 30's, this isn't Eastern Europe during the Cold War. Is it provocative and disturbing? Yes. Nobody likes it. Everybody is pissed at Putin. But this isn't worth risking a full scale war in Europe over. Hell the Crimean citizenship doesn't want to be part of the Ukraine anyway. They were already trying to secede and position themselves closer to Russia before this happened. It's not like they are needing "liberated."

    The last time the U.S. tried to export "freedom and democracy" we leveled two nations into ruin and killed tens of thousands of people in the process.
    *insert profound statement here*

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