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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    A billion dollars is useless.

    Also, a billion dollars is cheap. US federal budget is basically 3000 billions. It's not even 1% of the budget.
    Moreoever, it's useless to Ukraine. 1bil doesn't cover 1 months' spending with all the troubles this "mini aggression war" caused and all the damage that the previous government did. Consider this, under Yanukovych, almost 37bil euros went "missing"... well, went into the pockets of politicians and their clientele which is why Ukraine is in big trouble now, economically.

    The EU plans to give a 15-20bil euros bailout to Ukraine. those are the numbers circulating. We'll know more in 2 days.
    And it should be the responsibility of the EU to pony up the money. What I don't understand is where were they through all the months leading up to this point? They knew the people in Ukraine were fighting a crooked regime and just now they decide to call for an emergency meeting to consider sanctions against Russia? That should have happened months ago! Evidently Obama isn't the only leader with his head up his butt.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    [QUOTE=tecoyah;1062994642
    That Putin seems to be "Backing Down" may very well be a result of understanding his actions will lead to great damage to his regime, or might simply be more subterfuge, only time will tell. Anyone who feels they know the details here well enough to state one side has outplayed the other must be seen as little more than an armchair quarterback with delusions of grandeur.[/QUOTE]

    Putin has gotten what he wants....secured his naval base and put Ukraine on notice. He has no need or even want to take the rest of the country. He took Crimea which historically has been part of Russia and has a large percentage of its population who consider themselves Russian. Do you honestly think after Europe, Britain, and Germany refused to engage him that Ukraine will consider closer ties with the west or will instead pay attention to what Russia wants? I wont even get started on the stupidity our government brought up. Putin could hurt us badly economicly if he carried out his threats.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' RM.....that's not true. We don't have the money like we use. Now that's not to say we couldn't muster it up, but the Ukraine wasn't an ally and we giving money to a Line on a list that wasn't there and then is pencil in. Cannot be trusted.

    Moreover.....how can Obama justify this 1 Billion dollars of aid to the Ukraine, giving money to those outside the US. When the US economy isn't improving like they say.
    Again, the USA determined the clauses in the loan, or the aid package or whatever. It can be a blank check or it can be targetted for certain payments.

    Ok, I can understand the idea of not being "morally justified" to just give money to a country who wasn't an ally. Ok, I can get that... I'm not saying the loan should happen or that it shouldn't. I'm just saying that there are a lot of rather hostile countries to the USA who have been receiving money from the USA to show friendship or to be "nice" to other countries.

    1bil $ is pennies. It is much, to you and me, but to the govt... not really.

    Quote Originally Posted by leoborn View Post
    Who actually gets the money? The banks, the government? The people probably won't see a dime! .
    Whoever you say gets the money and to use to whatever you say they should use. most likely -> pay loans on debts and for public spending. You don't just "give the money" as a blank check and forget about it. At least I hope not. I know that the EU, if the bailout goes through, will be supervised, as all EU loans are.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by DrPepper View Post
    Putin has gotten what he wants....secured his naval base and put Ukraine on notice. He has no need or even want to take the rest of the country. He took Crimea which historically has been part of Russia and has a large percentage of its population who consider themselves Russian. Do you honestly think after Europe, Britain, and Germany refused to engage him that Ukraine will consider closer ties with the west or will instead pay attention to what Russia wants? I wont even get started on the stupidity our government brought up. Putin could hurt us badly economicly if he carried out his threats.
    And he has done nothing wrong in the meantime, and far less than the US has done, despite the criticisms.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    That billion dollars would be better spent here. Why do we got to prop up all these countries around the world? If we were down, they would kick us in the teeth.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Again, the USA determined the clauses in the loan, or the aid package or whatever. It can be a blank check or it can be targetted for certain payments.

    Ok, I can understand the idea of not being "morally justified" to just give money to a country who wasn't an ally. Ok, I can get that... I'm not saying the loan should happen or that it shouldn't. I'm just saying that there are a lot of rather hostile countries to the USA who have been receiving money from the USA to show friendship or to be "nice" to other countries.

    1bil $ is pennies. It is much, to you and me, but to the govt... not really.



    Whoever you say gets the money and to use to whatever you say they should use. most likely -> pay loans on debts and for public spending. You don't just "give the money" as a blank check and forget about it. At least I hope not. I know that the EU, if the bailout goes through, will be supervised, as all EU loans are.
    Soros is on record saying Germany will leave the EU by September. How does that figure in, and who's left to pay anything back?

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And it should be the responsibility of the EU to pony up the money. What I don't understand is where were they through all the months leading up to this point? They knew the people in Ukraine were fighting a crooked regime and just now they decide to call for an emergency meeting to consider sanctions against Russia? That should have happened months ago! Evidently Obama isn't the only leader with his head up his butt.
    The EU is pony-ing up the money. The latest talks and speculations revealed an aid package from the EU of about 15bil euros but it can get bigger... or smaller. But for now, the

    The EU was pretty active, vocally, from the beginning, from after Vilnius when Yanukovych refused to sign the treaty... there are tons of news about it, you just didn't read them. The US just hopped in this discussion in the past week since Russia got involved, the EU has been in this for almost 4 months, condemning Yanukovych, telling Russia to not interfere with the protests, condemning the violence... for crying out loud. Look at the news.

    Yes, we don't have the brightest bulbs over here either, but we've been in this from the get-go.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by leoborn View Post
    Soros is on record saying Germany will leave the EU by September. How does that figure in, and who's left to pay anything back?
    Why do you care what Soros has to say? And why should I?

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The EU is pony-ing up the money. The latest talks and speculations revealed an aid package from the EU of about 15bil euros but it can get bigger... or smaller. But for now, the

    The EU was pretty active, vocally, from the beginning, from after Vilnius when Yanukovych refused to sign the treaty... there are tons of news about it, you just didn't read them. The US just hopped in this discussion in the past week since Russia got involved, the EU has been in this for almost 4 months, condemning Yanukovych, telling Russia to not interfere with the protests, condemning the violence... for crying out loud. Look at the news.

    Yes, we don't have the brightest bulbs over here either, but we've been in this from the get-go.
    I do read the news. And yes there was a lot of TALK and show of disgust coming from the EU governments but talk is cheap. There is a big difference between condemning something and actually taking action against it.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I do read the news. And yes there was a lot of TALK and show of disgust coming from the EU governments but talk is cheap. There is a big difference between condemning something and actually taking action against it.
    U mean like this?
    EU tells Russia to withdraw troops or face possible sanctions | Reuters
    Or this:
    EUobserver / Ukraine crisis: EU threatens asset freeze on Russian officials
    Ukraine crisis: EU threatens asset freeze on Russian officials
    In 2 days time there is a EU meeting to determine the sanctions but for now the threats are real... though it may seem that the UK will pussy out. Anyway... it's not like they want to be part of the EU to begin with.

    Talk may be cheap, but it's better than war. The US has only done talk too. Everyone talks so that guns don't start firing. Talk is good.

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