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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why is he supposed to know better? He is a Community Organizer from Chicago with no previous experience in anything of substance. His resume is empty. The electorate arranged the flowers in this empty vessel allowing him to be whatever they hoped him to be. He just had to make promises and shout slogans. That's all there was to him, and it was unrealistic to have expected more.
    I hope you are wrong here. Perhaps my bias is not letting me see the truth. Honestly, deep down inside, I would really like for Obama to succeed. But sometimes, he does do things that make me wonder. Then other times he appears to have it together. I wish I really knew what actually happened here. I honestly don't understand how someone with a sufficient education could make a mistake so big. How could anyone that understands things really think that Russia could just sit back and let Ukraine slid like this? Events must have gotten out of control. That has to be the explanation.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I hope you are wrong here. Perhaps my bias is not letting me see the truth. Honestly, deep down inside, I would really like for Obama to succeed. But sometimes, he does do things that make me wonder. Then other times he appears to have it together. I wish I really knew what actually happened here. I honestly don't understand how someone with a sufficient education could make a mistake so big. How could anyone that understands things really think that Russia could just sit back and let Ukraine slid like this? Events must have gotten out of control. That has to be the explanation.
    Good to read an honest response free of the built in bias which effects a lot of us.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Especially since Dubya, it doesn't appear we are promoting the cause of world peace much. What has been done in Ukraine is a very big step backwards.

    Going to another point, if Obama was indeed spearheading that effort to bring down the government in Kiev, that's a big problem and he should be considered dangerous. However, I find it hard to believe that. I am inclined to believe that he gave Victoria Nuland a bit too much leeway. Then the moderates lost control of things on the street and the mob rejected the deal that was reached with Yanukovych and he was forced to leave. I'm probably brainwashing myself to believe that, because I just can't believe we have people in power here in the US that would be so stupid as to do such a thing. But if it's true that they did it on purpose, especially if Obama was directing and spearheading it, that is a big problem. It would be a substantial problem if we have someone as highly placed as Victoria Nuland who was actually directing the overthrow of Yanukovych in such a fashion. And there is evidence to support that notion. However, you might be able to get away with having someone that stupid in a position like that. But if it is the President of the United States himself, then that's very, very dangerous. He is supposed to know better, and if he doesn't that is a very, very big problem indeed.
    I doubt very much that Obama was spearheading anything in Kiev, otherwise he would have done it in other countries when he had the opportunity. He has not demonstrated anything in that direction anywhere else and it is unlikely that he would in the Ukraine.

    My feeling is that he knew about the Crimea beforehand and there may be a quid pro quo. That might be Putin laying off the rest of the Ukraine and allowing the country into the EU. It seems that might not be such a bad exchange if.....

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    We are broke and in deebt and Obama gives Ukraine one billion dollars.........What is wrong with this picture???
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We are broke and in deebt and Obama gives Ukraine one billion dollars.........What is wrong with this picture???
    Heya Navy. That it wasn't included in his budget! Not surprising.....huh?

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I doubt very much that Obama was spearheading anything in Kiev, otherwise he would have done it in other countries when he had the opportunity. He has not demonstrated anything in that direction anywhere else and it is unlikely that he would in the Ukraine.

    My feeling is that he knew about the Crimea beforehand and there may be a quid pro quo. That might be Putin laying off the rest of the Ukraine and allowing the country into the EU. It seems that might not be such a bad exchange if.....
    That's interesting. I was thinking that a possible solution would be for both sides to agree absolutely no NATO membership for Ukraine, but possible EU membership, if that's what the people there want. Crimea would be given autonomy in the short term, long term be absorbed into the Russian Federation.

    Ukraine is a basket case. The people there better beware of the EU. They will end up like Greece, mothers forced to abandon their children, etc.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We are broke and in deebt and Obama gives Ukraine one billion dollars.........What is wrong with this picture???
    Know how much we give Israel every year, and so many other countries?
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We are broke and in deebt and Obama gives Ukraine one billion dollars.........What is wrong with this picture???
    lol? Nothing?
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Ukraine is a basket case. The people there better beware of the EU. They will end up like Greece, mothers forced to abandon their children, etc.
    It appears that is a motive. Yatsenyuk placed in power will surely direct the country toward austerity and drive a stake in the heart of the people while at the same time allow banks to benefit.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It appears that is a motive. Yatsenyuk placed in power will surely direct the country toward austerity and drive a stake in the heart of the people while at the same time allow banks to benefit.
    I agree. They are going to suck Ukraine dry. These people are blood suckers.

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