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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Why? I can understand that the United States has a responsibility to help Ukraine stabalize its borders and come to a resolution of this disagreement, since the US is a member of the international community. I do not see any need for the US to be providing any amount of financial assistance to Ukraine during or after this crisis. Once the international military/border dispute is settled (preferably without any US troops being involved), then it's up to Ukraine to deal with their own issues, so far as I am concerned.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    Congress will borrow it from China
    Mornin' BMCM.....why do we even need to send a billion dollars as aid to the Ukraine. Putin just ratcheted things down. I put up a thread on it. Yet Team Obama is still making moves.

    As he not only stopped military talks and support with each other. Which many would be surprised just what that entails. But now he ended talks with trade and investment with Russia too.


    U.S. suspends trade, investment talks with Russia over Ukraine.....

    The United States has put trade and investment talks with Russia on hold as a rebuke for Russia's incursion into Ukraine, a U.S. official said on Monday.

    "We have suspended upcoming bilateral trade and investment engagement with the government of Russia that were part of a move toward deeper commercial and trade ties," a spokesman for the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative said.....snip~

    U.S. suspends trade, investment talks with Russia over Ukraine

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The natural Obama reaction to any "crisis" is to borrow and spend. The silence from our NATO "partners" makes me think that they will not play along with any Obama plan that includes refusal to trade with Russia - especially when it comes to their need for oil and natural gas. Perhaps Obama will ask Hillary for a reset button of his own so that he can "take action" without simply tossing U.S. tax money into a messy situation and making promises to come up with a plan.
    Heya Tttwtt.....Do you think he included this 1 Billion dollars with the Budget he already submitted for the Country.....today this morning?

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Just as I thought...this whole Russian situation was deliberately overblown by the Ukranian interim government to get sympathy (and money) from the West.

    Looks like it worked.

    I doubt the Ukranian gov't. ever truly believed the Russians would seriously invade Ukraine-proper (which the Crimea is not).

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Tecoyah.....Are you sure it was the only Option? Do you think any type of moves could have been made for Perception and Appearances?

    Also.....where do we have a Billion dollars to come up with for the Ukraine, which was never on the radar for aid in the first place? 1 billion dollars.....and whats makes this so redundant. Is Putin has made the moves he needed and now is standing down with his drills, says Yanokovich wont be the President of the Ukraine nor his government. Plus just gave the Ukrainians a pass on their Gas debt.

    Hard to believe that Putin could outplay all on Team Obama.....huh? Including Obama himself and one on one-toe to toe.....Politically. Do you think Obama can handle the pressure any more.....himself. Not his team players.
    I am not at all sure of anything, thus the statement "Pretty Much" the only option. Even the individuals charged with "Knowing" what the details are likely do not...as it will be very complex. In diplomatic exchanges between countries (particularly when at odds), I would imagine many moves are meant to project appearances, and are insincere. The Billion dollars of aid will have little effect on United States coffers, as I am sure much of it entails existing materials and personnel over years of distribution...and the dollars will be allocated from existing treasury funds or borrowing.

    That Putin seems to be "Backing Down" may very well be a result of understanding his actions will lead to great damage to his regime, or might simply be more subterfuge, only time will tell. Anyone who feels they know the details here well enough to state one side has outplayed the other must be seen as little more than an armchair quarterback with delusions of grandeur.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Tttwtt.....Do you think he included this 1 Billion dollars with the Budget he already submitted for the Country.....today this morning?
    Obama "budgets" tend to be ignored by our congress critters of both parties. I expect that another continuing resolution will become our "budget".
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    The Billion dollars of aid will have little effect on United States coffers, as I am sure much of it entails existing materials and personnel over years of distribution...and the dollars will be allocated from existing treasury funds or borrowing.
    That 17 trillion in debt is made up one billion after another. We continue to think money buys friends. It never has. It only buys dependence. We have zero stake in Ukraine. Now we have a billion dollar zero stake.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Obama has cut military to military talks and support with Russia.....Do you think this will cause problems going forward and dealing with Russia? Also in what way will this cost the US money, by doing this?



    US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....
    Associated Press – 2 mins 47 secs ago




    The Obama administration readied economic sanctions against Russia on Tuesday as it formally announced an aid package of $1 billion in energy subsidies to Ukraine amid worries that Moscow would extend its military reach into the mainland of the former Soviet republic.

    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Kiev for a five-hour show of support for the fledgling Ukraine government as it grapples with a military takeover of Crimea, a strategic, mostly pro-Russian region in the country's southeast. Kerry also was to pay homage to the dozens of protesters who were slain Feb. 20 in anti-government demonstrations that days later ousted Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych.

    As Kerry arrived, the White House announced a package of energy aid, training for financial and election institutions, and anti-corruption efforts. U.S. officials traveling with Kerry also said the Obama administration is considering slapping Russia with unspecified economic sanctions as soon as this week.

    Additionally, the officials said, the U.S. has suspended what was described as a narrow set of discussions with Russia over a bilateral trade investment treaty. It is also going to provide technical advice to the Ukraine government about its trade rights with Russia. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to be quoted by name before the official announcement was made.....snip~

    US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine
    I think obviously the next President will have to press the "reset button" with Russia

    I can't believe that we are rewarding these people for their inability to have a functioning democracy.


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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    Congress will borrow it from China
    That's no joke either. Congress will borrow the money from China, and give it to Ukraine. Yep, call up China, tell them to send a billion to the Ukraine, and put it on our tab.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I am not at all sure of anything, thus the statement "Pretty Much" the only option. Even the individuals charged with "Knowing" what the details are likely do not...as it will be very complex. In diplomatic exchanges between countries (particularly when at odds), I would imagine many moves are meant to project appearances, and are insincere. The Billion dollars of aid will have little effect on United States coffers, as I am sure much of it entails existing materials and personnel over years of distribution...and the dollars will be allocated from existing treasury funds or borrowing.

    That Putin seems to be "Backing Down" may very well be a result of understanding his actions will lead to great damage to his regime, or might simply be more subterfuge, only time will tell. Anyone who feels they know the details here well enough to state one side has outplayed the other must be seen as little more than an armchair quarterback with delusions of grandeur.

    Putin hasn't backed down......he has played this masterfully. He has what he wanted and its good bet you will see the Crimea become a Protectorate. You don't think he is worried to much about the US hurting itself, now do ya?

    While I am sure there are many that could be insincere.....there is an example of a move. That's sincere in the Projection of Power.....but then is insincere as no harm would come from it anyways.


    The US has moved a Carrier SG in Club Med.....and they are making their way for the Aegean to (insert reason- to help Greeks). <<<<< This would be the News Report with the example.

    Now how do you think Putin and Russia as well as everybody else can say they aren't concerned with Appearances?

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