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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    15 billion is the magic number the EU will throw in. Throwing money at the issue is all Brussels has.
    Mornin Higgins .....so are you saying thats like some lil Sprouts.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    15 billion is the magic number the EU will throw in. Throwing money at the issue is all Brussels has.
    Ukraine has pressing economic and financial needs. Even if there were no situation in Crimea, those economic and financial difficulties were in urgent need of attention. Although the EU's package won't really address Crimea, it can help Ukraine begin to address its economic and financial challenges.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The drone program is 'courage'?
    It's as courageous as sending somebody else's loved ones into battle. The argument you're going for here is very transparent. Obama has been far and away more aggressive in his use of drones to kill terrorists than Bush was. He uses them despite international opposition. It's funny that you guys would be crying if he didn't use drones and accusing him of bending to international pressure. I can see it now "Obama is weak! The drones save American lives! He won't kill terrorists with drones because he's afraid of what the world will think!" Good grief.
    Bin Ladin had been a target well before Obama was President.
    So? What does that even matter? Obama is the President who ordered U.S. troops into Pakistan to actually get him. Much to the chagrin of the Pakistani government who was most likely complicit in hiding him. Only a rabid anti-Obamanite would try to dismiss this. I'm surprised you're not stamping your feet and accusing him of recklessness and almost starting a nuclear war with Pakistan.

    And Libya? It's a mess and their appreciation was demonstrated by murdering the US Ambassador and three other Americans, all of which has led to an ongoing coverup.
    Libya was not a mess because of Obama. Libya was a mess because of the civil war. And the attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi was carried out by several anti-American/anti-western Islamist terror groups. It was not some an act denoting Libya's dissatisfaction with Obama's policy towards that country. Your characterization of that event betrays both ignorance and Pavlovian hyper partisanship. "Libya? Libya? OBAMA SUCKS!!! REMEMBER BENGHAZI!!!!!" You're part of the problem.

    The man is not just a fool but a dangerous fool.
    Based upon your contributions thus far I highly doubt anyone who is reasonable would place any validity on your assessment of President Obama.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    awesome post!


    No, you have not been to war with us Canadians for 202 years. And you are not likely to, as we are the only nation on earth who successfully repelled an American invasion. We are really sorry about burning down the Capital and Mr. Jefferson's new White House. You can have some free maple syrup since that comes from Ontario and we have oil which you have to pay for because of our carbon taxes.

    No, the US no more won the cold war than they won WWII, despite the propaganda of 3,107 John Wayne movies. There was that small matter in Poland you may recall that required the Kremlin to be "invited" to send tanks to kill some Polish people who responded by refusing to work or sell food to soldiers. Lech Walensa and Solidarity, the docks shut down and and a crumbling economy. It cost the Russians so much to be there they could not afford to pay their soldiers, who, if they wanted to eat, had to be nice to Poles. I was a journalist guest of Solidarity at that time, it was astonishing to see women spit at Russian soldiers, they particularly liked giving them trhe finger.

    It was what, a year later the Berlin Wall came down while similar unpaid soldiers stood by gaping like morons. You may recall that that wall coming down was a complete surprise to the CIA who it is now claimed "Won" the cold war.

    The cold war would not have ended had it not been for a Roman Catholic Priest who admired Ronald Reagan who became the Priest of Rome who shamed the priests of Poland for their silence about Russian attrocities and who defied the Kremlin's warning not to interfere. His name was Karol Józef Wojtyła, or to non Poles Pope John Paul the second.

    It was later, much later that Ronald Reagan issued the famous line: "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!", which is you really want to know was written by a Canadian.

    I ask of Obama's defenders to name one war in which the US was a clear victor in a necessary war..

    In closing there was one conflict which the US, with the help of Kaiser Wilhelm did solve without military force, although Canadian/British marines stood off against Americans:



    The only casualty was a pig. Even then I think we were growing BC Bud
    I am a huge Cold War history buff. I like what you've said here especially with regard to Poland and the Pope. And I'm sure you know there were many others as well. I really like the works by John Lewis Gaddis on this subject. Very objective. It was his book "The Cold War: A New History" that really sparked my interest in looking at all the edges.

    We in America tend to believe our own hype sometimes lol.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I am a huge Cold War history buff. I like what you've said here especially with regard to Poland and the Pope. And I'm sure you know there were many others as well. I really like the works by John Lewis Gaddis on this subject. Very objective. It was his book "The Cold War: A New History" that really sparked my interest in looking at all the edges.

    We in America tend to believe our own hype sometimes lol.







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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    -- Although the EU's package won't really address Crimea --
    There's an irony, any EU package for Crimea would in effect go to a Russian satellite.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    One billion to the Ukraine. I was just thinking... I wonder how outraged the Republicans would be about this if we actually decided to spend that $1 Billion on needy Amercians?

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

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    Lol pretty much
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It's as courageous as sending somebody else's loved ones into battle.
    It is not the same at all. Those 'loved ones' are the ones who are exhibiting the courage, and those same loved ones are those now living under the poverty line while others remain in Afghanistan despite Obama's call for retreat. Small Pay Raise Marks Another Hit to Military Personnel

    The argument you're going for here is very transparent. Obama has been far and away more aggressive in his use of drones to kill terrorists than Bush was. He uses them despite international opposition
    .I don't deny that.

    It's funny that you guys would be crying if he didn't use drones and accusing him of bending to international pressure. I can see it now "Obama is weak! The drones save American lives! He won't kill terrorists with drones because he's afraid of what the world will think!" Good grief.
    You guys?? Your post is directed to me.
    So? What does that even matter? Obama is the President who ordered U.S. troops into Pakistan to actually get him. Much to the chagrin of the Pakistani government who was most likely complicit in hiding him. Only a rabid anti-Obamanite would try to dismiss this. I'm surprised you're not stamping your feet and accusing him of recklessness and almost starting a nuclear war with Pakistan.
    It seems you surprise easily, and over nothing. Where is the doctor who led the military forces to bin laden? He still rots in jail while Obama gets the credit.


    Libya was not a mess because of Obama. Libya was a mess because of the civil war. And the attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi was carried out by several anti-American/anti-western Islamist terror groups. It was not some an act denoting Libya's dissatisfaction with Obama's policy towards that country. Your characterization of that event betrays both ignorance and Pavlovian hyper partisanship. "Libya? Libya? OBAMA SUCKS!!! REMEMBER BENGHAZI!!!!!" You're part of the problem.
    You've entered some mysterious dark world here. Please continue the debate should you ever emerge.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    One billion to the Ukraine. I was just thinking... I wonder how outraged the Republicans would be about this if we actually decided to spend that $1 Billion on needy Amercians?

    (ducks and covers)
    $1 billion is what the US government spends about every two hours, much of it borrowed or just printed. It's a little late for the left to concern themselves with fiscal responsibility at this late date.

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