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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not only do I know who Stalin and Putin are, I know who Neville Chamberlin was, too. He believed that appeasement was the answer to hostile expansion.
    You sound like the super smart people who **** their pants when Kennedy refused to start bombing Cuba and sinking Russian ships bound for Havana.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You sound like the super smart people who **** their pants when Kennedy refused to start bombing Cuba and sinking Russian ships bound for Havana.
    You sound like the super smart people that thought Kennedy should sit back and do nothing.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You sound like the super smart people who **** their pants when Kennedy refused to start bombing Cuba and sinking Russian ships bound for Havana.
    Do you have a link to that?

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Really? In European issues we have a track record of diffusing situations? Like what? Cuba? Well that wasn't really a European situation, that was a Caribbean situation involving Russia and the US. But okay...that's one. What other situations have we diffused?

    How did we diffuse the situation in Kuwait? Militarily.
    How did we diffuse the situation with Iraq/Saddam Hussein? Militarily.
    How did we diffuse the situation with Afghanistan/Taliban? Militarily.
    How did we diffuse the situation with Panama? Militarily.
    How did we diffuse the situation in the Balkans? Militarily.
    How did we diffuse the situation in Vietnam? Militarily.
    How did we diffuse the situation in Korea? Militarily.
    How did we diffuse the situation in Grenada? Militarily.
    How did we diffuse the situation in Libya? Militarily.
    How did we diffuse the situation in Somalia? We didn't.
    How did we diffuse the situation in Syria? We didn't.
    How did we diffuse the situation in Egypt? We didn't.
    How did we diffuse the situation in Mexico? We didn't.

    That's not really diffusing anything. That's shooting and bombing ****. Pretty much the antithesis of diffusion. But I see where you get the idea we have a really good track record. Yeah we haven't gone to war with Canada lately.

    And "we" as in the U.S., did not win the Cold War all by ourselves. If you think we did you are quite wrong. We had a lot of help...much of it European. Oh...and Mikhail Gorbachev had a big role as well. Maybe look up Perestroika and Glasnost. To say "the U.S. won the Cold War" is to betray a lack of understanding of the Cold War, who "fought" it, and how it was "fought."

    But please, show me some more examples of how we have successfully "diffused" situations.


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    No, you have not been to war with us Canadians for 202 years. And you are not likely to, as we are the only nation on earth who successfully repelled an American invasion. We are really sorry about burning down the Capital and Mr. Jefferson's new White House. You can have some free maple syrup since that comes from Ontario and we have oil which you have to pay for because of our carbon taxes.

    No, the US no more won the cold war than they won WWII, despite the propaganda of 3,107 John Wayne movies. There was that small matter in Poland you may recall that required the Kremlin to be "invited" to send tanks to kill some Polish people who responded by refusing to work or sell food to soldiers. Lech Walensa and Solidarity, the docks shut down and and a crumbling economy. It cost the Russians so much to be there they could not afford to pay their soldiers, who, if they wanted to eat, had to be nice to Poles. I was a journalist guest of Solidarity at that time, it was astonishing to see women spit at Russian soldiers, they particularly liked giving them trhe finger.

    It was what, a year later the Berlin Wall came down while similar unpaid soldiers stood by gaping like morons. You may recall that that wall coming down was a complete surprise to the CIA who it is now claimed "Won" the cold war.

    The cold war would not have ended had it not been for a Roman Catholic Priest who admired Ronald Reagan who became the Priest of Rome who shamed the priests of Poland for their silence about Russian attrocities and who defied the Kremlin's warning not to interfere. His name was Karol Józef Wojtyła, or to non Poles Pope John Paul the second.

    It was later, much later that Ronald Reagan issued the famous line: "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!", which is you really want to know was written by a Canadian.

    I ask of Obama's defenders to name one war in which the US was a clear victor in a necessary war..

    In closing there was one conflict which the US, with the help of Kaiser Wilhelm did solve without military force, although Canadian/British marines stood off against Americans:

    On June 15, 1859, exactly thirteen years after the adoption of the Oregon Treaty, the ambiguity led to direct conflict. Lyman Cutlar, an American farmer who had moved onto the island claiming rights to live there under the Donation Land Claim Act, found a large black pig rooting in his garden.[2][6][8] He had found the pig eating his tubers. This was not the first occurrence. Cutlar was so upset that he took aim and shot the pig, killing it. It turned out that the pig was owned by an Irishman, Charles Griffin, who was employed by the Hudson's Bay Company to run the sheep ranch.[2][6][8] He also owned several pigs which he allowed to roam freely. The two had lived in peace until this incident. Cutlar offered $10 to Griffin to compensate for the pig, but Griffin was unsatisfied with this offer and demanded $100. Following this reply, Cutlar believed he should not have to pay for the pig because the pig had been trespassing on his land. (A possibly apocryphal story claims Cutlar said to Griffin, "It was eating my potatoes." Griffin replied, "It is up to you to keep your potatoes out of my pig."[8]) When British authorities threatened to arrest Cutlar, American settlers called for military protection.

    Pig War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The only casualty was a pig. Even then I think we were growing BC Bud
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    This will obviously cause tensions with Russia, but far fewer than Russia is causing. Likely, the financial costs will be quite small due to the minimal trade and lack of reliance on Russian resources, as well as the simple fact the banks are all in the western world. Giving aid to the Ukraine and sanctioning Russia is pretty much the only option available to the west, and I have a feeling it will be used aggressively until Russia either collapses or submits.

    The people of Russia are already economically downtrodden....I doubt Putin wants a revolt.
    Putin controls about 50% of the US govt. because US oil cos. are operating in Russia.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think obviously the next President will have to press the "reset button" with Russia

    I can't believe that we are rewarding these people for their inability to have a functioning democracy.
    You aren't. The US govt. is, and the US govt. does not work for you or the rest of the People. It works for Exxon, Gazprom, etc.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Blustering blowhards are not noted for their courage, and bluster is all this President has done.
    Except for, you know, drones. And Bin Laden. And Libya. And surging in Afghanistan.

    But except for virtually all of his foreign policy, you are spot on!
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Except for, you know, drones. And Bin Laden. And Libya. And surging in Afghanistan.

    But except for virtually all of his foreign policy, you are spot on!
    The drone program is 'courage'? Bin Ladin had been a target well before Obama was President. And Libya? It's a mess and their appreciation was demonstrated by murdering the US Ambassador and three other Americans, all of which has led to an ongoing coverup.

    The man is not just a fool but a dangerous fool.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    15 billion is the magic number the EU will throw in. Throwing money at the issue is all Brussels has.

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