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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Two words: red line

    He screwed the pooch in Syria. He has weakened our military in the eyes of the Russians.

    Obama will never unleash our military. He's a coward.
    Congress, as much as Obama, has weakened our military. But weakened it from what perspective? The ability to fight two wars of occupation at once? So what? We don't NEED that kind of capability today.

    Did he screw the pooch in Syria? The "red line" issue with Syria is one that only right wing hawks seem to embrace. "Oh Obama said 'red line' but then he didn't bomb the **** out of Syria so now the U.S. is screwed!" We shouldn't have been threatening anything of the sort to begin with.

    And I don't want him "unleashing" our military in this matter. There is no valid reason to do so. Other than to satiate the "toughest kid on the block" syndrome that seems to set like water on the brain for many Americans. That doesn't make him a coward. That makes him reasonable. That makes him responsible. What would be our justification this time? Operation Crimean Freedom? Liberating people who don't want us liberating them just so we can say we are still tougher than Putin? According to many Crimean's the Russians are doing exactly what they've been wanting for some time. Liberating them from Kiev.

    This uniquely American mindset that 'we're not happy unless we're blowing other people up" is maddening.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Congress, as much as Obama, has weakened our military. But weakened it from what perspective? The ability to fight two wars of occupation at once? So what? We don't NEED that kind of capability today.

    Did he screw the pooch in Syria? The "red line" issue with Syria is one that only right wing hawks seem to embrace. "Oh Obama said 'red line' but then he didn't bomb the **** out of Syria so now the U.S. is screwed!" We shouldn't have been threatening anything of the sort to begin with.

    And I don't want him "unleashing" our military in this matter. There is no valid reason to do so. Other than to satiate the "toughest kid on the block" syndrome that seems to set like water on the brain for many Americans. That doesn't make him a coward. That makes him reasonable. That makes him responsible. What would be our justification this time? Operation Crimean Freedom? Liberating people who don't want us liberating them just so we can say we are still tougher than Putin? According to many Crimean's the Russians are doing exactly what they've been wanting for some time. Liberating them from Kiev.

    This uniquely American mindset that 'we're not happy unless we're blowing other people up" is maddening.
    He's purged experienced generals for political reasons and abolished DADT.

    Like it, or not, in the eyes of people like Putin, allowing gays to serve openly is a sign of weakness.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Wait a minute. So Obama is a coward who won't unleash our military...but...he has in fact used the military and he shouldn't have, also he shouldn't have threatened to use the military because it was illegal. But he is still a coward who won't use the military.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Two words: red line He screwed the pooch in Syria. He has weakened our military in the eyes of the Russians. Obama will never unleash our military. He's a coward.
    Two words- CON game.

    President Obama, unlike many CONs knows the difference between strategic and rhetoric. Syria has no clear 'good guys' to give massive aid to. Putin doesn't see much advantage to being Assad's new boyfriend or 20,000 Russians would be 'stabilizing' Syria. Much was made of a few Russian ships moved into the Med and yet they did nothing as it wouldn't gain the Russians anything and might plunge the world into at the very least a superpower fueled regional conflict.

    President Obama didn't weaken the military enough to make anyone feel froggy. Crimea is an extremely sensitive region for the Russians. Not that BushII for all his pumping up the military and pitiful swagger did much for the break away enclaves in Georgia, but with Obama Putin could be reasonably sure he could safeguard his military bases in the Crimea and make sure the new Ukrainian government understood mistreating ethnic Russians would be frowned upon. (as in Syria the Ukraine has a few bad actors on both sides of the dispute)

    What unleashing do you think will help the Ukraine and not lock us into a massive land battle on Russia's doorstep? We couldn't sustain a far smaller engagement in Iraq, what in THE hell do you think we can do on Russia's border?????

    President Obama knew where and how many to unleash to kill Bin Hidin in Pakistan. Better thought is he knows how many and where to use military force.

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That is exactly opposite what is correct. He had no basis to go to war against Libya without congressional approval. That is specifically prohibited by the Constitution.

    He can legally take actions concerning Ukraine because there already is a treaty concerning invasion of Ukraine.
    I don't think I was defending Obama's actions in Libya! And I disagree that Putin has done anything in the Ukraine that warrants a military response from the US.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Two words- CON game.

    President Obama, unlike many CONs knows the difference between strategic and rhetoric. Syria has no clear 'good guys' to give massive aid to. Putin doesn't see much advantage to being Assad's new boyfriend or 20,000 Russians would be 'stabilizing' Syria. Much was made of a few Russian ships moved into the Med and yet they did nothing as it wouldn't gain the Russians anything and might plunge the world into at the very least a superpower fueled regional conflict.

    President Obama didn't weaken the military enough to make anyone feel froggy. Crimea is an extremely sensitive region for the Russians. Not that BushII for all his pumping up the military and pitiful swagger did much for the break away enclaves in Georgia, but with Obama Putin could be reasonably sure he could safeguard his military bases in the Crimea and make sure the new Ukrainian government understood mistreating ethnic Russians would be frowned upon. (as in Syria the Ukraine has a few bad actors on both sides of the dispute)

    What unleashing do you think will help the Ukraine and not lock us into a massive land battle on Russia's doorstep? We couldn't sustain a far smaller engagement in Iraq, what in THE hell do you think we can do on Russia's border?????

    He should have just shutup about it, to begin with.

    President Obama knew where and how many to unleash to kill Bin Hidin in Pakistan. Better thought is he knows how many and where to use military force.
    Uh...yeah! Obama planned that whole operation. Right!
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He should have never threatened to do so! Damn! Why is this so hard for you people to understand??
    Well we agree on that part apdst!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You would rather have a multi trillion $ war with Russia instead I'm sure.
    Totally wrong...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Wait a minute. So Obama is a coward who won't unleash our military...but...he has in fact used the military and he shouldn't have, also he shouldn't have threatened to use the military because it was illegal. But he is still a coward who won't use the military.
    He's a coward, because he won't act on the threats that he issues.
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    Re: US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well we agree on that part apdst!
    Heya Monte. Did you see what I had up with Putin De-escalating things? Or that Piece I had up on the Putin Gambit?

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