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Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

That's completely false. The Free Syrian Army is widely (internationally) considered a moderate and secular force. It's the only force in Syria mainly comprised of trained military personnel, and it has been involved in conflicts against many of the more radical rebel elements.

Supplying and supporting the Free Syrian Army, among other actions, is the best way to end the conflict.

Wrong again, its the best way to perpetuate the conflict, has kept it going three years now. Whereas, without Western interference, president Assad would have put an end to it in the first few months, or less.
 
Wrong again, its the best way to perpetuate the conflict, has kept it going three years now. Whereas, without Western interference, president Assad would have put an end to it in the first few months, or less.

That's absolutely false. The conflict will continue so long as Assad is in power, whether we assist or not. The best thing we can do is propel the most favorable force into a position of power. Assad is a dictator, and the era of dictators is over.
 
That's absolutely false. The conflict will continue so long as Assad is in power, whether we assist or not. The best thing we can do is propel the most favorable force into a position of power. Assad is a dictator, and the era of dictators is over.

Yep. Let's go around promoting conflict with everyone we dislike. Because we're betterer than them.

Anyone who disagrees is a fat Communist.
 
Yep. Let's go around promoting conflict with everyone we dislike. Because we're betterer than them.

Anyone who disagrees is a fat Communist.

Democracies are better than dictatorships, and don't let anyone tell you different.
 
The EU only kept peace because there was only one threat, that from the USSR, with the other 'Superpower' their main defender. That 'deeper political integration' ignored cultural differences which, in turn, has led to further unhappiness and resentments among most groups of people, just what they were hoping to avoid.

I was talking about the EU's contributing to peace among EU nations i.e. France and Germany, etc. Clearly, the Soviet threat helped bring Western Europe together. Economic integration also expanded shared interests. To the extent shared interests were created or expanded, that development contributed to increased incentives for peaceful cooperation.

Yes, there is a great uncertainty now that the American people have questioned whether they want to continue being 'the policeman of the world', which allows those have complained on the issue a glimpse of how the world might be without them. I have little confidence in NATO, though hope to be wrong, and of course the UN is of no value at all.

My concern is not that the U.S. is taking a lesser role as "world policeman," but that it is reducing its power in a deliberate fashion (budget proposals are deliberate measures) and that such development undermines its capacity to protect its interests and strategic allies. Neoisolationism, if it actually takes hold, won't bolster American security. Yet, at least at this vantage point, there is no strong counterproposal originating in either house of Congress. If this remains the case, the big (and in my view, unwise) defense cuts will take place with perhaps some cosmetic changes that will do little to impact the world's evolving balance of power in which the U.S. is on a trajectory for making a lesser contribution. That path won't be very comforting for the nation's NATO allies or strategic Asian partners.
 
Democracies are better than dictatorships, and don't let anyone tell you different.

Yep. Islamist democracies are so much better than secular dictatorships. Only a fat Communist who hated America would disagree.
 
[h=1]Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia
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Obama threatens to

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the time for warnings is over. The article says they are considering what steps to take. Why don't they already KNOW what steps to take? Why are no contingency plans for this in place already? If our intelligence didn't see this coming? Why not?

I blame our intelligence community. We spend billions​ of dollars to get a heads up on this type action. What happened?




Judging by our 'intelligence' communities major screw-ups on the Iraq kerfuffle and a few other things I'm going to say that the USA's intelligence people are abysmally stupid and incompetent.

They couldn't pour urine out of a boot with the instructions on the sole.
 
After the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 Ukraine including the Crimea voted for independence. A majority of Crimeans wanted independence.

Yes, they wanted the independence from the SU, but they were not asked if they wanted to remain part of the Ukraine or if they want to re-unite with the Russian Federation.


Ukraine is still a country but is instead being lead by the opposition who command the police and the military, it is not law less, it still has a stable government that will have elections. Ukraine was not taken over by a random armed opposition group, they were overthrown by mostly peaceful protests and is being lead by the former parliamentary opposition.

The power was usurped by armed terrorists, these people were not elected. It was a coup d'état.

There were maybe a couple of thousands of "protesters" in Kiev, and there are millions of voters who never accepted this terrorism.

What would American government do, if "protesters" were shooting policemen on the Capitol Hill?

Are you kidding?

No, Ukraine does not exist any more, because the elected government was replaced by force, and this was illegal according to the laws of former Ukraine.

In a similar situation American government would act according to the Patriot Act and declare a state of war with internal terrorists.

The Russian population of the Russian Ukraine will vote on 16th March and end the Ukrainian occupation of the Russian Crimean Peninsula (which has lasting since 1954) will end, Crimean Peninsula will be again part of Russia, because that is the will of the population of the Crimean Peninsula.

Who cares about your opinion or the opinion of Barak Obama?

And I can understand these people, they are fed up with the racism of Western Ukrainians that is supported by the Western powers.
 
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I'll bet that Putin is really scared now.
 
I'll bet that Putin is really scared now.

Well, Putin has to represent the interests of his voters, and as long as he has the support of his voters, he can be sure that he is doing the right thing. Most Russians in the Russian Federation and on the Russian Crimean Peninsula support the referendum and they will respect the dissension of the population of the Crimean Peninsula.

I do not think that Obama, who has to care about the interests of the people who financed his election expenses (speak the Israel Lobby) is less scared, than Putin.

Obama was already scared after Netanyahu ordered that USA had to start a war against Syria (which would mean a beginning of a big war), and I have the impression that Obama was very thankful to Putin because he could save his face and evade a war with Syria, which would be another war for Israel.

Of course Putin and other people with a sound mind are scared, because there are a lot of crazy people, like Netanyahu, who are eager to start WWIII.

But Obama already blinked in the Syria crises, and that means that Obama is not a crazy nutter that is ready to start WWIII.
 
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:rofl :lamo

Now we start backtracking....who said anything about doing it "without approval of the UNSC"?

Dude... read the treaty....... the only one backtracking here is you.
 
Yep. Let's go around promoting conflict with everyone we dislike. Because we're betterer than them.

Anyone who disagrees is a fat Communist.

Careful now, Mac represents that comment.
 
That's absolutely false. The conflict will continue so long as Assad is in power, whether we assist or not. The best thing we can do is propel the most favorable force into a position of power. Assad is a dictator, and the era of dictators is over.

No it's not unfortunately. And the people you'd like to see in power will be far worse than president Assad. The era that needs to be over is the era of US interference in the internal affairs of sovereign countries, and that looks promising at this point, much as that clearly chaps the ass of those apologists for failed and corrupt US foreign policy.
 
Democracies are better than dictatorships, and don't let anyone tell you different.

Except when they're not. Then you send in the CIA and you topple the democracy and install a dictator.
 
[h=1]Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia
if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine
[/h]
Obama threatens to

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the time for warnings is over. The article says they are considering what steps to take. Why don't they already KNOW what steps to take? Why are no contingency plans for this in place already? If our intelligence didn't see this coming? Why not?

I blame our intelligence community. We spend billions​ of dollars to get a heads up on this type action. What happened?

It is impossible that no one saw this coming. It seems this has to be a quid pro quo for something we don't know about yet, or it's BHO demonstrating his post-election 'flexibility' promise.
 
Judging by our 'intelligence' communities major screw-ups on the Iraq kerfuffle and a few other things I'm going to say that the USA's intelligence people are abysmally stupid and incompetent.

They couldn't pour urine out of a boot with the instructions on the sole.

There may be some truth to that, but then too, there were those in the intelligence community telling Bush things he didn't want to hear, so he was twisting (fixing) the intelligence, to fit his policy.
 
Except when they're not. Then you send in the CIA and you topple the democracy and install a dictator.

The United States, almost singlehandedly, toppled the Evil Empire, thereby freeing millions of people throughout the world.

If you have an example of any nation doing anything even remotely similar i'd appreciate hearing of it.
 
There may be some truth to that, but then too, there were those in the intelligence community telling Bush things he didn't want to hear, so he was twisting (fixing) the intelligence, to fit his policy.

And you have evidence of this?
 
No it's not unfortunately. And the people you'd like to see in power will be far worse than president Assad. The era that needs to be over is the era of US interference in the internal affairs of sovereign countries, and that looks promising at this point, much as that clearly chaps the ass of those apologists for failed and corrupt US foreign policy.

Worse than Assad, Huh? How do you know this? Are you at all familiar with Assad's history?
 
The United States, almost singlehandedly, toppled the Evil Empire, thereby freeing millions of people throughout the world.

If you have an example of any nation doing anything even remotely similar i'd appreciate hearing of it.

No you wouldn't. You'd prefer to make excuses for US foreign policy abuses.
 
Worse than Assad, Huh? How do you know this? Are you at all familiar with Assad's history?

Sure. I'm also looking at Egypt, Libya and Iraq.
 
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