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Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

Not true. The purpose was to come up with a framework for talks that would led to mutually agreed to verification by both sides that Iran was not attempting to use it's nuclear program to acquire nuclear weapons. Nothing was dismissed.

Some of us care about outcomes, others appear to care more about intentions.



It's Obama target practice time. I'm not thrilled with much of what he's done either but its not his blackness or, his party affiliation.
 
:lol: Putin is a left-wing autocratic dictator with even less regard for the West than he has for individual liberty. If he was in charge of any other country, the Left would be feting him like they celebrated Chavez. And the only miserable defense you can muster for the utter fail that is this administrations' policy towards Russia is to launch the feeble critique that the people on the side of the aisle whom your guy made fun of for warning us about Putin are secretly fans of his?

:lamo, man. Must be mighty depressing to be a Dem, these days. ;)

LMAO. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying that!

It was funny tho!!!

:lol: Ukraine's GDP per capita is less half of Turkey's, which isn't allowed membership, bringing in the Ukraine when they are still extremely fragile is... very unlikely - especially if Putin makes it clear that he doesn't want them to. :lol: but your argument is still that Putin gets' everything he wants, and you count that as a loss for him? Good luck spinning that to anyone beyond those who are Desperate To Believe.

Some good points there.
 
It's Obama target practice time. I'm not thrilled with much of what he's done either but its not his blackness or, his party affiliation.

Yeah, they are trying to whittle him down to nothing. Unfortunately, he has made a big mistake on this issue. He didn't do himself any favors here. In fact, he may have ruined his whole presidency, to be brutally honest. It's a shame to, because after his first term, it looked like he was starting to be a substantial President.
 
Yeah, they are trying to whittle him down to nothing. Unfortunately, he has made a big mistake on this issue. He didn't do himself any favors here. In fact, he may have ruined his whole presidency, to be brutally honest. It's a shame to, because after his first term, it looked like he was starting to be a substantial President.

Yeah, unfortunately, I never got that excited. I really was hoping for change I could believe in. It didn't come. In fact, many of the things I was disgruntled about with George Bush, he only expanded. The first hint that he wasn't going to be any different though, came in July 08' when he was still on the campaign trail and said that as president, he would attack AQ in Pakistan, with or without the Pakistani governments permission. So much for Obama's respect for borders and sovereignty!!
 
Yeah, unfortunately, I never got that excited. I really was hoping for change I could believe in. It didn't come. In fact, many of the things I was disgruntled about with George Bush, he only expanded. The first hint that he wasn't going to be any different though, came in July 08' when he was still on the campaign trail and said that as president, he would attack AQ in Pakistan, with or without the Pakistani governments permission. So much for Obama's respect for borders and sovereignty!!

I remember when he said that. Yep, that should have been a big signal that he was just another politician.
 
I remember when he said that. Yep, that should have been a big signal that he was just another politician.

Glad you remember it. Some call it a lie. This is what makes his claims yesterday so astounding. And Kerry's the other day, the same thing. And this is the only time Obama gets support from partisans on the right. So we are recognising this "new" Ukrainian government as legit and democratic he called it, despite the fact it came about through intrigue and violence and isn't recognised by all Ukrainians. Thing is, it will be representative of Western interests, and THAT is what makes it legit.
 
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I live in Georgia. I'm a pistol carrying pig hunting auto mechanic who lives on 20 acres of woods in the mountains. When we refer to ''Murica" we're not talking about the one liberals like. It's not a slur here. It's more of a joke along the lines of "I'm pretty sure those soft opinionated types would disagree with what we are doing here". We actually do have things like a school systems (pretty good schools actually), internet, government and all the same retail stores everyone else does. But when someone says "Have a blessed day" we don't get our panties in a wad about it. I'm actually from the Chicago suburbs originally and moved here on purpose. The guy I'm hunting with this weekend is a brilliant machinist. The guy from Ukraine who is handling my marketing has an engineering degree but lives almost off grid. We had to postpone our meeting because one of his goats had a kid. We are all business owners and have employees.

So when we use terms like that it is to enforce a stereotype and make a joke. It's beautiful here, we don't want the "enlightened" crowd moving down here to change it.
I suppose it's a matter of understanding your audience and how this will be picked up by those who are only critical of the US. You certainly made a good point though.
 
It's Obama target practice time. I'm not thrilled with much of what he's done either but its not his blackness or, his party affiliation.

Of course it's his party affiliation, as well as his not knowing how the world works. In fact he has been incorrectly taught on how the world works, a double disadvantage.

What he is really good at is winning elections via making false promises and uttering forceful, though empty, slogans. After that there is just nothing there.

The Republicans should adopt "Really Real Hope and Change For Sure This Time" as their campaign slogan, make the same promises BHO made, and the Left might buy it again,
 
Of course it's his party affiliation, as well as his not knowing how the world works. In fact he has been incorrectly taught on how the world works, a double disadvantage.

What he is really good at is winning elections via making false promises and uttering forceful, though empty, slogans. After that there is just nothing there.

The Republicans should adopt "Really Real Hope and Change For Sure This Time" as their campaign slogan, make the same promises BHO made, and the Left might buy it again,

You won't find me apologizing for Obama, I'm quite disgusted with him. But there won't be any meaningful change coming from the next republican admin. Either. Slogan all they want.
 
You won't find me apologizing for Obama, I'm quite disgusted with him. But there won't be any meaningful change coming from the next republican admin. Either. Slogan all they want.

Ah! You can foretell the future. Amazing!
 
I suppose it's a matter of understanding your audience and how this will be picked up by those who are only critical of the US. You certainly made a good point though.

Agreed. This area have a decided libertarian slant. There is a common bumper stick here that says "Ron Paul told Y'all".
 
Of course it's his party affiliation, as well as his not knowing how the world works. In fact he has been incorrectly taught on how the world works, a double disadvantage.

What he is really good at is winning elections via making false promises and uttering forceful, though empty, slogans. After that there is just nothing there.

The Republicans should adopt "Really Real Hope and Change For Sure This Time" as their campaign slogan, make the same promises BHO made, and the Left might buy it again,

Here's a little information on that "aid" package. I sure hope Obama and Co. don't show up here to hep" me out. Hot dam y'all, ah swar, but it looks like the Big Corporations won't be hurt and who'd a thunk that? Looks like the poor will get to suffer, but what the hell, they're used to it, eh? Hope and change? Not for Ukraine.

The Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun

"By Paul Craig Roberts
March 07, 2014 "Information Clearing House - According to a report in Kommersant-Ukraine, the finance ministry of Washington’s stooges in Kiev who are pretending to be a government has prepared an economic austerity plan that will cut Ukrainian pensions from $160 to $80 so that Western bankers who lent money to Ukraine can be repaid at the expense of Ukraine’s poor. Ú.Óêðàèíà-Ãàçåòà - Øîê è ðàñ÷åò It is Greece all over again.

Before anything approaching stability and legitimacy has been obtained for the puppet government put in power by the Washington orchestrated coup against the legitimate, elected Ukraine government, the Western looters are already at work. Naive protesters who believed the propaganda that EU membership offered a better life are due to lose half of their pension by April. But this is only the beginning.

The corrupt Western media describes loans as “aid.” However, the 11 billion euros that the EU is offering Kiev is not aid. It is a loan. Moreover, it comes with many strings, including Kiev’s acceptance of an IMF austerity plan.

Remember now, gullible Ukrainians participated in the protests that were used to overthrow their elected government, because they believed the lies told to them by Washington-financed NGOs that once they joined the EU they would have streets paved with gold. Instead they are getting cuts in their pensions and an IMF austerity plan.

The austerity plan will cut social services, funds for education, layoff government workers, devalue the currency, thus raising the prices of imports which include Russian gas, thus electricity, and open Ukrainian assets to takeover by Western corporations.

Ukraine’s agriculture lands will pass into the hands of American agribusiness.

One part of the Washington/EU plan for Ukraine, or that part of Ukraine that doesn’t defect to Russia, has succeeded. What remains of the country will be thoroughly looted by the West.

The other part hasn’t worked as well. Washington’s Ukrainian stooges lost control of the protests to organized and armed ultra-nationalists. These groups, whose roots go back to those who fought for Hitler during World War 2, engaged in words and deeds that sent southern and eastern Ukraine clamoring to be returned to Russia where they resided prior to the 1950s when the Soviet communist party stuck them into Ukraine.

At this time of writing it looks like Crimea has seceded from Ukraine. Washington and its NATO puppets can do nothing but bluster and threaten sanctions. The White House Fool has demonstrated the impotence of the “US sole superpower” by issuing sanctions against unknown persons, whoever they are, responsible for returning Crimea to Russia, where it existed for about 200 years before, according to Solzhenitsyn, a drunk Khrushchev of Ukrainian ethnicity moved southern and eastern Russian provinces into Ukraine. Having observed the events in western Ukraine, those Russian provinces want to go back home where they belong, just as South Ossetia wanted nothing to do with Georgia.

Washington’s stooges in Kiev can do nothing about Crimea except bluster. Under the Russian-Ukraine agreement, Russia is permitted 25,000 troops in Crimea. The US/EU media’s deploring of a “Russian invasion of 16,000 troops” is either total ignorance or complicity in Washington’s lies. Obviously, the US/EU media is corrupt. Only a fool would rely on their reports. Any media that would believe anything Washington says after George W. Bush and Dick Cheney sent Secretary of State Colin Powell to the UN to peddle the regime’s lies about “Iraqi weapons of mass destruction,” which the weapons inspectors had told the White House did not exist, is clearly a collection of bought-and-paid for whores.

In the former Russian provinces of eastern Ukraine, Putin’s low-key approach to the strategic threat that Washington has brought to Russia has given Washington a chance to hold on to a major industrial complex that serves the Russian economy and military. The people themselves in eastern Ukraine are in the streets demanding separation from the unelected government that Washington’s coup has imposed in Kiev. Washington, realizing that its incompetence has lost Crimea, had its Kiev stooges appoint Ukrainian oligarchs, against whom the Maiden protests were partly directed, to governing positions in eastern Ukraine cities. These oligarchs have their own private militias in addition to the police and any Ukrainian military units that are still functioning. The leaders of the protesting Russians are being arrested and disappeared. Washington and its EU puppets, who proclaim their support for self-determination, are only for self-determination when it can be orchestrated in their favor. Therefore, Washington is busy at work suppressing self-determination in eastern Ukraine.

This is a dilemma for Putin. His low-key approach has allowed Washington to seize the initiative in eastern Ukraine. The oligarchs Taruta and Kolomoyskiy have been put in power in Donetsk and Dnipropetrovsk, and are carrying out arrests of Russians and committing unspeakable crimes, but you will never hear of it from the US presstitutes. Washington’s strategy is to arrest and deep-six the leaders of the secessionists so that there no authorities to request Putin’s intervention.

If Putin has drones, he has the option of taking out Taruta and Kolomoyskiy. If Putin lets Washington retain the Russian provinces of eastern Ukraine, he will have demonstrated a weakness that Washington will exploit. Washington will exploit the weakness to the point that Washington forces Putin to war.

The war will be nuclear."
 
How can the looting have already begun? The dust hasn't settled yet. What is this theft by deception. Try to steal 5 bucks from the seven eleven clerk. I want to say unbelievable Dave, but its very believable.
 
You won't find me apologizing for Obama, I'm quite disgusted with him. But there won't be any meaningful change coming from the next republican admin. Either. Slogan all they want.

So the American electorate should vote for another Democrat?
 
Here's a little information on that "aid" package. I sure hope Obama and Co. don't show up here to hep" me out. Hot dam y'all, ah swar, but it looks like the Big Corporations won't be hurt and who'd a thunk that? Looks like the poor will get to suffer, but what the hell, they're used to it, eh? Hope and change? Not for Ukraine.

The Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun
"By Paul Craig Roberts
March 07, 2014 "Information Clearing House - According to a report in Kommersant-Ukraine, the finance ministry of Washington’s stooges in Kiev who are pretending to be a government has prepared an economic austerity plan that will cut Ukrainian pensions from $160 to $80 so that Western bankers who lent money to Ukraine can be repaid at the expense of Ukraine’s poor. Ú.Óêðàèíà-Ãàçåòà - Øîê è ðàñ÷åò It is Greece all over again.

This is a private opinion unencumbered by facts.
 
So the American electorate should vote for another Democrat?

Of course not. It's time for change we can believe in. There's a dimes thickness of difference between the two parties in the end. While many recognize this, until a large majority of Americans do, and put their citizenship ahead of partisan loyalties, we can expect more.
 
Of course not. It's time for change we can believe in. There's a dimes thickness of difference between the two parties in the end. While many recognize this, until a large majority of Americans do, and put their citizenship ahead of partisan loyalties, we can expect more.

What sort of change would you believe in?
 
So we are recognising this "new" Ukrainian government as legit and democratic he called it, despite the fact it came about through intrigue and violence and isn't recognised by all Ukrainians. Thing is, it will be representative of Western interests, and THAT is what makes it legit.

Yep, that's the way the game is played these days. To be fair, that's what most governments do now.
 
The Republicans should adopt "Really Real Hope and Change For Sure This Time" as their campaign slogan, make the same promises BHO made, and the Left might buy it again,

Both parties will likely do something strongly resembling that. People shouldn't fall for that garbage. It's something that has been done over and over again, long before Obama.
 
The Western powers have to at least place sanctions on Russia if they are not going to help Ukraine. We cannot let Russia invade whoever they want.

Or can we? Haven't we taken enough blame for our involvement in other people's foreign affairs? Maybe it is time they settle it themselves. Why is it our job to do anything for them?
 
Both parties will likely do something strongly resembling that. People shouldn't fall for that garbage. It's something that has been done over and over again, long before Obama.

You're right, but people keep falling for it. I can understand a first term for BHO but a second defies credulity.
 
You're right, but people keep falling for it. I can understand a first term for BHO but a second defies credulity.

Part of the problem is that there are no good options.
 
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