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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Don't you think that China would gladly relieve Russia of that oil and gas?
    Sure they would.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The World has plenty of sources of oil and gas.
    A little rationing to get by blockading of ALL Russian goods wouldn't hut the World.
    But it would hurt Russia, deeply.
    And the G-7 could reform in June .
    We'll see. It all takes time to divert oil and gas destined to someplace else. Then there is the cost factor as oil prices rise. I doubt if europe will push it too far, especially if Russia threatens to cut off the oil and gas.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    My concern is that Putin does not ignore the many splintered GOP groups, hammering the POTUS daily in public.
    Rep. Rogers wants to throw Russia out of the G-8.
    Merkel said she wasn't too keen on this idea.
    My point is that the USA does not speak with a unified voice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    If they're pushing intervention, they should be ignored. This one is on the EU to fix.
    As for the EU to fix, the USA lost countless thousands of merchant seamen before we actually joined WW2.

    Russian stock markets down 10% today, losing 58 billion dollars in value..
    This from FOX Baier and Hume on right now who I like .
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I encourage Russia to take your advice.
    Once you lose a customer, it's tough getting them back.
    And, how's he gonna pay for Sochi?
    And he's now probably lost the G-8 summit in Sochi.
    When the IMF cuts off funds, we'll see how bellicose Putin is .
    Russia I would say isn't all that worried about Sochi or the lost of the summit. I think you put too much faith into the IMF. Sanctions rarely work especially if one is a tough dictator who is willing to put his countries people through heck. Look at Iran, sanctions hasn't done a thing there. North Korea, Cuba, etc. It all sounds good, but a tough leader, sanctions means little.

    But we shall see. I am not an expert on Russia or that part of the world. I do know the Ukraine has a long history of being part of Russia and just became a country in 1991. This is Russia's back yard.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    We'll see. It all takes time to divert oil and gas destined to someplace else. Then there is the cost factor as oil prices rise. I doubt if europe will push it too far, especially if Russia threatens to cut off the oil and gas.
    : It's Winter over there, too, and it's cold! This is not Sochi, where they had to manufacture snow for the Olympic games. Palm trees grow on the streets of Sochi!

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Russian soldiers are wearing generic green instead of their colors.
    They are instigating Pro-Russian riots.
    Baier on FOX is an excellent watch.
    Instead of slamming Obama, they're one of the few FOX programs to do great reporting .
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    We'll see. It all takes time to divert oil and gas destined to someplace else. Then there is the cost factor as oil prices rise. I doubt if europe will push it too far, especially if Russia threatens to cut off the oil and gas.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The World has plenty of sources of oil and gas.
    A little rationing to get by blockading of ALL Russian goods wouldn't hut the World.
    But it would hurt Russia, deeply.
    And the G-7 could reform in June .
    It'd hurt the hell out of the EU and just how are they going to blockade goods? How are they going to take any UN action? The membership won't ever vote for it and Russia is on the security council and has veto power.

    Kicking Russia out of the G8 would only free Russia to make bilateral agreements enriching just Russia and weaken the G8 (G7 in that case).

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    We'll see. It all takes time to divert oil and gas destined to someplace else. Then there is the cost factor as oil prices rise. I doubt if europe will push it too far, especially if Russia threatens to cut off the oil and gas.
    The world is producing roughly 80-85 million barrels of oil per day. Russia produces about 12 % of that. The world does not have 8 million barrels of reserve production to make up for that production. Combine that with the reduction of Iran's production, the amount of excess oil is minimal. Which is why the price of oil is around the $100 per barrrel mark +/- a few dollars, and not $50.


    The diversion would just mean that oil that went to Europe goes to Asia at extra cost and the oil that was going to go to Asia goes to Europe at extra cost

    Economc isolation will mean a stop of Russian investments in the EU and NA, and a stop in EU investments in Russia

    Political isolation will mean Russia gets kicked out of bodies like the G8.

    All of which Russia can live with. Strategically Russia coud not live without the port in Crimea, and being replaced there with a Nato port.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's correct Pero.....which if they tried the Sanctions. It hurts the EU and not just Russia. Which then the EU wont want to pay all those Royalties that Putin will surely place into effect.


    Russia sets Ukraine agenda with diplomacy, threats

    Hague said "the world cannot just allow this to happen." But he, like other Western diplomats, ruled out any military action. "The U.K is not discussing military options. Our concentration is on diplomatic and economic pressure."
    Market reaction to the Russian seizure of Crimea was furious Monday. In European trading, gold and oil rose while the euro and stock markets fell. The greatest impact was felt in Moscow, where the main RTS index was down 12 percent at 1,115 and the dollar spiked to an all-time high of 37 rubles.

    Russia's central bank hiked its main interest rate 1.5 percentage points Monday to 7 percent, trying to stem financial outflows.

    Gazprom, the Russian energy giant, was also big loser, its share price down 13 percent as investors worried about how it would get its gas to Europe if hostilities kept up, since much of it goes through Ukrainian pipelines.....snip~

    Russia sets Ukraine agenda with diplomacy, threats - NewsTimes
    Yep, if the Ukraine cut the pipelines, you can be sure the Russian Army won't be far behind. One thing in the world of geopolitics, one must realize the history of the Ukraine is deeply tied to Russia and has been part of Russia for a very long time. Heck it only became a country in 1991. This is Russia's backyard, much like Mexico and Canada are in ours. Rather what he is doing is right, wrong or indifferent, we ought to realize the history and where the Ukraine is at.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Look at Iran, sanctions hasn't done a thing there. North Korea, Cuba, etc.
    Are you really saying that sanctions didn't affect Iran?
    That Iran didn't elect a moderate leader due to sanctions?
    That Iran didn't come to the table cuz they were starving?
    That Israel and Congressional war-hawks still want sanctions, since they don't work ?
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