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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

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    That's never happened yet. In fact there's no such thing.
    Well, you have illustrated a complete lack of understanding. I'd say that equates to "lost".
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Many of us are quite well educated actually. And many of us don't give a damn about the Ukraine. All we want is to go back to isolation and let the Europeans with their "symbolic" armies solve their own problems...but we also know geopolitics is a bitch and if we don't pretend to be concerned...we might offend the sensitive little hearts of people everywhere. Maybe if we posture like we give a crap...don't do ****...maybe the terrorists will go after Putin and his people like they all did to us after all our CIA bull****. I don't know? Maybe I'm dreaming?
    And many of us are concerned about the US keeping it's word. We are treaty bound to defend the Ukraine....and we're violating that.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

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    And many of us are concerned about the US keeping it's word. We are treaty bound to defend the Ukraine....and we're violating that.
    Uh huh. So tell me. What exactly do you think we are going to do to stop a nation that is also a nuclear power, has a leader who has shown he isn't really concerned with how he is represented (you know former KGB acting like he is...well...KGB), and a nation that is certainly capable of making any hundreds of back door deals to circumvent any BS we pull in terms of "economic sanctions."

    Do you know what happened with all the interventionist BS we pulled from the 40s to basically now? Do you know what we got? Diddly squat. It pissed people off. But it didn't matter cause we were out to screw the soviets. Maybe if we took a lesson from that...and said..."we condemn Russia" and make sure they look like the bad guys...this little dust up will solve itself. Like it is going to anyway. We don't have to DO squat. All we have to do, and all we will do, is finger point at Russia.

    Treaties like "oh we will protect you" are outdated in a world of nuclear arms. This isn't 1907 Europe with the Triple Entente needing to be signed to counter balance the powerful Triple Alliance...because mass conventional warfare is never going to happen between 2 nuclear capable nations.

    The TLDR version (borrowed that from another poster) is that what the hell are we going to do? Fight a war against a nuclear nation? Or just impose worthless economic sanctions?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

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    Well, you have illustrated a complete lack of understanding. I'd say that equates to "lost".
    Said only because you disagree and promote US propaganda and apologize for US hegemony.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And many of us are concerned about the US keeping it's word. We are treaty bound to defend the Ukraine....and we're violating that.
    Why do people keep repeating this bull ****. We have no such treaty to protect the Ukraine. But besides that, why would you want to risk war with Russia for a country you couldn't even pick out on a map. Why don't you write a check, then put on a uniform and go defend it.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It doesn't hurt my feelings, and as Kerry said: "In America, you have a right to be stupid."
    Quoting Kerry! Lmao. Ok so 70% of Americans are stupid. I can live with that.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Uh huh. So tell me. What exactly do you think we are going to do to stop a nation that is also a nuclear power, has a leader who has shown he isn't really concerned with how he is represented (you know former KGB acting like he is...well...KGB), and a nation that is certainly capable of making any hundreds of back door deals to circumvent any BS we pull in terms of "economic sanctions."

    Do you know what happened with all the interventionist BS we pulled from the 40s to basically now? Do you know what we got? Diddly squat. It pissed people off. But it didn't matter cause we were out to screw the soviets. Maybe if we took a lesson from that...and said..."we condemn Russia" and make sure they look like the bad guys...this little dust up will solve itself. Like it is going to anyway. We don't have to DO squat. All we have to do, and all we will do, is finger point at Russia.

    Treaties like "oh we will protect you" are outdated in a world of nuclear arms. This isn't 1907 Europe with the Triple Entente needing to be signed to counter balance the powerful Triple Alliance...because mass conventional warfare is never going to happen between 2 nuclear capable nations.

    The TLDR version (borrowed that from another poster) is that what the hell are we going to do? Fight a war against a nuclear nation? Or just impose worthless economic sanctions?

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    Sorry if the whole entente and alliance thing seemed pompous. I have to put my worthless degree to use some time lol.
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    Anyways, I suppose you'd have us renege on our alliances?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Quoting Kerry! Lmao. Ok so 70% of Americans are stupid. I can live with that.
    That's good, self loathing is a terrible thing.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Said only because you disagree and promote US propaganda and apologize for US hegemony.
    No, because your analysis of the situation is amatuerish, even childish. And whatever you want to call it, we're treaty bound to defend Ukraine.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, because your analysis of the situation is amatuerish, even childish. And whatever you want to call it, we're treaty bound to defend Ukraine.

    Do you have a link to the treaty you are referencing?

    Edit: It's not in START I or START II, nor the Lisbon Protocol, nor the 1975 Helsinki Final Act
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