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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    From what Pentagon officials have said Nato military options are few and far between.
    NATO is nothing but an excuse to do nothing. It is a defense negative. A joke. It would be far better to tell every NATO country "defend yourself" and we'd decide if anything happened if wished to involve. This would force them to built up far more than now.

    Why do we defend Germany? That's nuts. They are the richest country in Europe. Spend their own money. Develop their own military. They don't back us up on anything anyway.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We believe it, because the evidence exists.
    Only in your own mind. But I digress...

    While I firmly believe Putin has overstepped his bounds, I have to ask those who are insisting that the Obama Administration take stronger action beyond imposing sanctions against Russia, what exactly do you think should be done?

    And let's remember this: Other than Granada, Reagan never fired a shot at any other country, not even a single bullet in Russia's direction throughout the Cold War era. He got others to do it albeit very underhandedly (i.e., Iran/Contra...stinger missles smuggled into Pakistan so that the Afghan rebels could fight a more definitive war against their Russian invaders). Clinton eventually decided to take military action against the Kurds in Kosovo, but only with unilateral support. The only time Bush I led an attack against another country during his Presidency was when the Kuwuiti Prince asked for his help directly. And we all know what a mess GWB made with his pre-emptive strike against Iraq.

    So, I ask you folks, what exactly is Pres. Obama to do at this point considering that not one shot has been fired from a Russian gun aimed at a Ukrania citizen or its military? I get that Putin is taking similar actions as Hilter did when he invaded Poland and its citizens gave up without a fight. It's history somewhat repeating itself here. But again, other than marshalling international support and isolating Russia still further, what other action would you suggest be taken at this point?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Russia does not need the IMF, Ukraine does. Russia was offering Ukraine money instead of them having to go to the IMF for a loan
    Yep, and ask any number of Latin American countries what they think of the IMF.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    From what Pentagon officials have said Nato military options are few and far between.
    Yeah, I wouldn't think the Pentagon would be real excited about taking on the Russians.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    After listening to McCain, Graham, Bolton and Rogers just today, I hear the same war drums as I did during Iraq.
    I also heard a few words from GWB in 2001 extolling the virtues of Putin.
    How do you view the constant GOP criticism of Obama DURING a crisis and its effect on Putin .
    If they're pushing intervention, they should be ignored. This one is on the EU to fix.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Russia's economic situation isn't very good, and since it's 60 billion in losses on it's markets and only a half trillion in central bank back up, economic sanctions could really hurt Russia. However, Russia is the lynch pin to solving the Syrian crisis and a major player in Iran nuke negotiations. The question is, does the US and EU want to throw both of those ME issues out the window and burn any bridges leading to Moscow over the Ukraine?

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    The rational ones don't.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No everyone. I do not want to a nuclear arms race by second tier countries. I don't care really about the Crimea. I do care that it now is impossible to make any nuclear disarmaments treaty/agreement or non-proliferation treaty with any country as they are now known to be nothing but trickery by the major world powers.
    Any action we take will blow back on us like almost every other time we get involved in this sort of ****.

    Put plainly, we need to skip the bar fight and fix the ****ing roof.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No everyone. I do not want to a nuclear arms race by second tier countries. I don't care really about the Crimea. I do care that it now is impossible to make any nuclear disarmaments treaty/agreement or non-proliferation treaty with any country as they are now known to be nothing but trickery by the major world powers.
    You may have a good point with that, it would also legitimise Iran to seek a nuclear weapons program.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Any action we take will blow back on us like almost every other time we get involved in this sort of ****.

    Put plainly, we need to skip the bar fight and fix the ****ing roof.
    Beautiful.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia
    if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine


    Obama threatens to

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the time for warnings is over. The article says they are considering what steps to take. Why don't they already KNOW what steps to take? Why are no contingency plans for this in place already? If our intelligence didn't see this coming? Why not?

    I blame our intelligence community. We spend billions​ of dollars to get a heads up on this type action. What happened?
    1.Perhaps they are too busy spying on Americans to worry Russia and the Ukraine.
    2.Any action against Russia will not have Europe's support because they need Russia's oil.
    3.Russia can interpret any action on our part as a act of war, much the say way the Japanese did when we cut them off in WWII.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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