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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No it's not unfortunately. And the people you'd like to see in power will be far worse than president Assad. The era that needs to be over is the era of US interference in the internal affairs of sovereign countries, and that looks promising at this point, much as that clearly chaps the ass of those apologists for failed and corrupt US foreign policy.
    Yes, it is...unfortunately. The conflict will go on with or without us. The only thing that will stop it is the Dictator thoroughly eliminating all resistance or, the rebels eliminating Assad. With or without US involvement.

    Whether you want to admit it or not, the US stabilized western Europe, and broke to continuous cycle of warfare there. Unless someone else is willing and able to do it in the middle east (the UN is neither), then it needs to be the US there too.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

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    Yes, it is...unfortunately. The conflict will go on with or without us. The only thing that will stop it is the Dictator thoroughly eliminating all resistance or, the rebels eliminating Assad. With or without US involvement.

    Whether you want to admit it or not, the US stabilized western Europe, and broke to continuous cycle of warfare there. Unless someone else is willing and able to do it in the middle east (the UN is neither), then it needs to be the US there too.
    The US did a great job in the stability of Europe, I've got no problem acknowledging that. But the Middle East is a different animal, A and B we've got a Military Industrial Complex and international corporations that don't necessarily benefit from stability. And your right that president Assad eliminating all resistance would end the violence, but that's going to take longer, and result in more loss of life then would be necessary, because of US/Western support for the terrorists that president Assad is fighting.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How is giving cover for him not supportive? You never seem able to supply any back-up for these unusual opinions of yours.
    It was supportive of their own agendas. Covering for Bush's deceitfulness, which advances their agenda, doesn't mean they like him or support him, in any general ideological fashion as you think they do with Obama. Money is their ideology.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The US did a great job in the stability of Europe, I've got no problem acknowledging that. But the Middle East is a different animal, A and B we've got a Military Industrial Complex and international corporations that don't necessarily benefit from stability. And your right that president Assad eliminating all resistance would end the violence, but that's going to take longer, and result in more loss of life then would be necessary, because of US/Western support for the terrorists that president Assad is fighting.
    The US should have had their 'military industrial complex' well prepared prior to WWII and perhaps Hitler would have had a serious rethink.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It was supportive of their own agendas. Covering for Bush's deceitfulness, which advances their agenda, doesn't mean they like him or support him, in any general ideological fashion as you think they do with Obama. Money is their ideology.
    What "deceitfulness" was this??

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

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    Any Democracy is better than any dictatorship.
    Keep drinking the kool-aid.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The US did a great job in the stability of Europe, I've got no problem acknowledging that. But the Middle East is a different animal, A and B we've got a Military Industrial Complex and international corporations that don't necessarily benefit from stability. And your right that president Assad eliminating all resistance would end the violence, but that's going to take longer, and result in more loss of life then would be necessary, because of US/Western support for the terrorists that president Assad is fighting.
    Assad is a dictator that has used and will use weapons of mass destruction, ie chemical weapons, against his own people. He is a threat to humanity....of all the things America get's involved with, this is a just cause. That simple, Assad has to go, and the age of Dictators is over. If the rest of the world doesn't want to put on their big boy pants, then the US, as usual, has to do the heavy lifting.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Art_Allm View Post
    Well, the second place in google list was the Wiki-link I have quoted.

    Do you yourself read the sources you are linking?
    Russia is below the replacement level of 2.1. I said Western Europe not eastern/central. Where is Russia going to find replacements without immigrants may I ask?


    No, we in Germany are not compensating our German population, it will be replaced by Muslims in a couple of decades. Today in German schools there are more Muslim children, than German.
    Link?




    Well, the West is still involved in wars that were started by American imbeciles, like W. Bush, and this imbecile was elected by Americans.
    Can we be sure that they will not elect another warmongering imbecile that will start WWIII?
    Meh since 2008, Russia and the US are one apiece when it comes to starting wars. Seems Putin is closer to starting another at this point in time.


    Are you able to read and understand the stuff you are pasting?

    They are quoting Russian results from the year 2003 and American results from the year 2012 (almost 10 years difference).

    Only imbeciles believe that it is OK to compare peaches to apples.

    This may surprise you, but these aren't exactly recently discovered scientific revelations.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Russia is below the replacement level of 2.1. I said Western Europe not eastern/central. Where is Russia going to find replacements without immigrants may I ask?




    Link?






    Meh since 2008, Russia and the US are one apiece when it comes to starting wars. Seems Putin is closer to starting another at this point in time.




    This may surprise you, but these aren't exactly recently discovered scientific revelations.
    Poetic justice would be you living under a Russian dictator.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What "deceitfulness" was this??
    How many times does this need to be covered. Nuclear weapons, the smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud over a US city. That the Iraq mission would take six days, six weeks, but we doubt six months. That it would cost 70 billion dollars, fixing the intelligence around his policy.......................
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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