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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Dude... read the treaty....... the only one backtracking here is you.
    You seem to have read the treaty yourself, Pete. Why not post out the salient points?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The United States, almost singlehandedly, toppled the Evil Empire, thereby freeing millions of people throughout the world.

    If you have an example of any nation doing anything even remotely similar i'd appreciate hearing of it.
    No you wouldn't. You'd prefer to make excuses for US foreign policy abuses.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Worse than Assad, Huh? How do you know this? Are you at all familiar with Assad's history?
    Sure. I'm also looking at Egypt, Libya and Iraq.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No you wouldn't. You'd prefer to make excuses for US foreign policy abuses.
    And you are attacking US foreign policies. Why not answer the question and we can move on?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sure. I'm also looking at Egypt, Libya and Iraq.
    Why not look at Assad, which is what the question was about?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And you are attacking US foreign policies. Why not answer the question and we can move on?
    Pointing out US foreign policy abuses is a virtue, and something many people have done/do. I'm not preventing you from moving anywhere. The US didn't topple anything even close to single handedly. That's just more arrogance. It may have been interrupted for a time, but it would appear that is being repaired, and Russia has made vast improvements to its former self.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Pointing out US foreign policy abuses is a virtue, and something many people have done/do.
    No, pointing out foreign policy abuses of every nation is a virtue, not just the United States. That's an obsession.
    I'm not preventing you from moving anywhere.
    Thanks for that.
    The US didn't topple anything even close to single handedly. That's just more arrogance.
    It wasn't one Superpower against the other? That seemed to be the case at the time, if you were around then.
    It may have been interrupted for a time, but it would appear that is being repaired, and Russia has made vast improvements to its former self.
    Russia is going nowhere. They are weak economically and demographically. Right now they have a strong leader while other nations, particularly in the US, are weak. All this will change quite soon.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Russia is going nowhere. They are weak economically and demographically.
    Europeans will become a minority in almost all Western countries in a couple of decades, Russia will probably remain the only country with a European majority. What demographics are you talking about? What to economy, well, Russia has a lot of natural resources and an educated population.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Right now they have a strong leader while other nations, particularly in the US, are weak. All this will change quite soon.
    Well, Putin is strong, because he has the support of the population that he represents. That is his REAL strength.

    I doubt that any western leader has such a support in the country he represents.

    Even if they appointed a crazy warmonger as a leader after the next election in the USA, will this warmonger really have the support of the population he is supposed to represent?
    Last edited by Art_Allm; 03-09-14 at 05:02 PM.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Art_Allm View Post
    What demographics are you talking about? What to economy, well, Russia has a lot of natural resources and an educated population.
    Probably Russia's declining population and falling life expectancy. Russia's educated population is an asset, but its economy isn't very diverse. Hence, it is more vulnerable to shocks based on changes in energy prices.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Art_Allm View Post
    Europeans will become a minority in almost all Western countries in a couple of decades, Russia will probably remain the only country with a European majority. What demographics are you talking about? What to economy, well, Russia has a lot of natural resources and an educated population.
    Link? Russia has a lower fertility rate than any western european country. Where will Russia get the people without non-European immigration? And educated compared to whom, they seem to think Putin is a swell guy?

    Well, Putin is strong, because he has the support of the population that he represents. That is his REAL strength.

    I doubt that any western leader has such a support in the country he represents.
    That's true. For now.

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