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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That's completely false. The Free Syrian Army is widely (internationally) considered a moderate and secular force. It's the only force in Syria mainly comprised of trained military personnel, and it has been involved in conflicts against many of the more radical rebel elements.

    Supplying and supporting the Free Syrian Army, among other actions, is the best way to end the conflict.
    Wrong again, its the best way to perpetuate the conflict, has kept it going three years now. Whereas, without Western interference, president Assad would have put an end to it in the first few months, or less.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wrong again, its the best way to perpetuate the conflict, has kept it going three years now. Whereas, without Western interference, president Assad would have put an end to it in the first few months, or less.
    That's absolutely false. The conflict will continue so long as Assad is in power, whether we assist or not. The best thing we can do is propel the most favorable force into a position of power. Assad is a dictator, and the era of dictators is over.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That's absolutely false. The conflict will continue so long as Assad is in power, whether we assist or not. The best thing we can do is propel the most favorable force into a position of power. Assad is a dictator, and the era of dictators is over.
    Yep. Let's go around promoting conflict with everyone we dislike. Because we're betterer than them.

    Anyone who disagrees is a fat Communist.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Yep. Let's go around promoting conflict with everyone we dislike. Because we're betterer than them.

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    Democracies are better than dictatorships, and don't let anyone tell you different.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The EU only kept peace because there was only one threat, that from the USSR, with the other 'Superpower' their main defender. That 'deeper political integration' ignored cultural differences which, in turn, has led to further unhappiness and resentments among most groups of people, just what they were hoping to avoid.
    I was talking about the EU's contributing to peace among EU nations i.e. France and Germany, etc. Clearly, the Soviet threat helped bring Western Europe together. Economic integration also expanded shared interests. To the extent shared interests were created or expanded, that development contributed to increased incentives for peaceful cooperation.

    Yes, there is a great uncertainty now that the American people have questioned whether they want to continue being 'the policeman of the world', which allows those have complained on the issue a glimpse of how the world might be without them. I have little confidence in NATO, though hope to be wrong, and of course the UN is of no value at all.
    My concern is not that the U.S. is taking a lesser role as "world policeman," but that it is reducing its power in a deliberate fashion (budget proposals are deliberate measures) and that such development undermines its capacity to protect its interests and strategic allies. Neoisolationism, if it actually takes hold, won't bolster American security. Yet, at least at this vantage point, there is no strong counterproposal originating in either house of Congress. If this remains the case, the big (and in my view, unwise) defense cuts will take place with perhaps some cosmetic changes that will do little to impact the world's evolving balance of power in which the U.S. is on a trajectory for making a lesser contribution. That path won't be very comforting for the nation's NATO allies or strategic Asian partners.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Democracies are better than dictatorships, and don't let anyone tell you different.
    Yep. Islamist democracies are so much better than secular dictatorships. Only a fat Communist who hated America would disagree.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia
    if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine


    Obama threatens to

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the time for warnings is over. The article says they are considering what steps to take. Why don't they already KNOW what steps to take? Why are no contingency plans for this in place already? If our intelligence didn't see this coming? Why not?

    I blame our intelligence community. We spend billions​ of dollars to get a heads up on this type action. What happened?



    Judging by our 'intelligence' communities major screw-ups on the Iraq kerfuffle and a few other things I'm going to say that the USA's intelligence people are abysmally stupid and incompetent.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

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    They couldn't pour urine out of a boot with the instructions on the sole.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    After the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 Ukraine including the Crimea voted for independence. A majority of Crimeans wanted independence.
    Yes, they wanted the independence from the SU, but they were not asked if they wanted to remain part of the Ukraine or if they want to re-unite with the Russian Federation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Ukraine is still a country but is instead being lead by the opposition who command the police and the military, it is not law less, it still has a stable government that will have elections. Ukraine was not taken over by a random armed opposition group, they were overthrown by mostly peaceful protests and is being lead by the former parliamentary opposition.
    The power was usurped by armed terrorists, these people were not elected. It was a coup d'état.

    There were maybe a couple of thousands of "protesters" in Kiev, and there are millions of voters who never accepted this terrorism.

    What would American government do, if "protesters" were shooting policemen on the Capitol Hill?

    Are you kidding?

    No, Ukraine does not exist any more, because the elected government was replaced by force, and this was illegal according to the laws of former Ukraine.

    In a similar situation American government would act according to the Patriot Act and declare a state of war with internal terrorists.

    The Russian population of the Russian Ukraine will vote on 16th March and end the Ukrainian occupation of the Russian Crimean Peninsula (which has lasting since 1954) will end, Crimean Peninsula will be again part of Russia, because that is the will of the population of the Crimean Peninsula.

    Who cares about your opinion or the opinion of Barak Obama?

    And I can understand these people, they are fed up with the racism of Western Ukrainians that is supported by the Western powers.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    I'll bet that Putin is really scared now.

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