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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I suppose it's a matter of understanding your audience and how this will be picked up by those who are only critical of the US. You certainly made a good point though.
    Agreed. This area have a decided libertarian slant. There is a common bumper stick here that says "Ron Paul told Y'all".

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Of course it's his party affiliation, as well as his not knowing how the world works. In fact he has been incorrectly taught on how the world works, a double disadvantage.

    What he is really good at is winning elections via making false promises and uttering forceful, though empty, slogans. After that there is just nothing there.

    The Republicans should adopt "Really Real Hope and Change For Sure This Time" as their campaign slogan, make the same promises BHO made, and the Left might buy it again,
    Here's a little information on that "aid" package. I sure hope Obama and Co. don't show up here to hep" me out. Hot dam y'all, ah swar, but it looks like the Big Corporations won't be hurt and who'd a thunk that? Looks like the poor will get to suffer, but what the hell, they're used to it, eh? Hope and change? Not for Ukraine.

    The Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun

    "By Paul Craig Roberts
    March 07, 2014 "Information Clearing House - According to a report in Kommersant-Ukraine, the finance ministry of Washingtons stooges in Kiev who are pretending to be a government has prepared an economic austerity plan that will cut Ukrainian pensions from $160 to $80 so that Western bankers who lent money to Ukraine can be repaid at the expense of Ukraines poor. .- - It is Greece all over again.

    Before anything approaching stability and legitimacy has been obtained for the puppet government put in power by the Washington orchestrated coup against the legitimate, elected Ukraine government, the Western looters are already at work. Naive protesters who believed the propaganda that EU membership offered a better life are due to lose half of their pension by April. But this is only the beginning.

    The corrupt Western media describes loans as aid. However, the 11 billion euros that the EU is offering Kiev is not aid. It is a loan. Moreover, it comes with many strings, including Kievs acceptance of an IMF austerity plan.

    Remember now, gullible Ukrainians participated in the protests that were used to overthrow their elected government, because they believed the lies told to them by Washington-financed NGOs that once they joined the EU they would have streets paved with gold. Instead they are getting cuts in their pensions and an IMF austerity plan.

    The austerity plan will cut social services, funds for education, layoff government workers, devalue the currency, thus raising the prices of imports which include Russian gas, thus electricity, and open Ukrainian assets to takeover by Western corporations.

    Ukraines agriculture lands will pass into the hands of American agribusiness.

    One part of the Washington/EU plan for Ukraine, or that part of Ukraine that doesnt defect to Russia, has succeeded. What remains of the country will be thoroughly looted by the West.

    The other part hasnt worked as well. Washingtons Ukrainian stooges lost control of the protests to organized and armed ultra-nationalists. These groups, whose roots go back to those who fought for Hitler during World War 2, engaged in words and deeds that sent southern and eastern Ukraine clamoring to be returned to Russia where they resided prior to the 1950s when the Soviet communist party stuck them into Ukraine.

    At this time of writing it looks like Crimea has seceded from Ukraine. Washington and its NATO puppets can do nothing but bluster and threaten sanctions. The White House Fool has demonstrated the impotence of the US sole superpower by issuing sanctions against unknown persons, whoever they are, responsible for returning Crimea to Russia, where it existed for about 200 years before, according to Solzhenitsyn, a drunk Khrushchev of Ukrainian ethnicity moved southern and eastern Russian provinces into Ukraine. Having observed the events in western Ukraine, those Russian provinces want to go back home where they belong, just as South Ossetia wanted nothing to do with Georgia.

    Washingtons stooges in Kiev can do nothing about Crimea except bluster. Under the Russian-Ukraine agreement, Russia is permitted 25,000 troops in Crimea. The US/EU medias deploring of a Russian invasion of 16,000 troops is either total ignorance or complicity in Washingtons lies. Obviously, the US/EU media is corrupt. Only a fool would rely on their reports. Any media that would believe anything Washington says after George W. Bush and Dick Cheney sent Secretary of State Colin Powell to the UN to peddle the regimes lies about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, which the weapons inspectors had told the White House did not exist, is clearly a collection of bought-and-paid for whores.

    In the former Russian provinces of eastern Ukraine, Putins low-key approach to the strategic threat that Washington has brought to Russia has given Washington a chance to hold on to a major industrial complex that serves the Russian economy and military. The people themselves in eastern Ukraine are in the streets demanding separation from the unelected government that Washingtons coup has imposed in Kiev. Washington, realizing that its incompetence has lost Crimea, had its Kiev stooges appoint Ukrainian oligarchs, against whom the Maiden protests were partly directed, to governing positions in eastern Ukraine cities. These oligarchs have their own private militias in addition to the police and any Ukrainian military units that are still functioning. The leaders of the protesting Russians are being arrested and disappeared. Washington and its EU puppets, who proclaim their support for self-determination, are only for self-determination when it can be orchestrated in their favor. Therefore, Washington is busy at work suppressing self-determination in eastern Ukraine.

    This is a dilemma for Putin. His low-key approach has allowed Washington to seize the initiative in eastern Ukraine. The oligarchs Taruta and Kolomoyskiy have been put in power in Donetsk and Dnipropetrovsk, and are carrying out arrests of Russians and committing unspeakable crimes, but you will never hear of it from the US presstitutes. Washingtons strategy is to arrest and deep-six the leaders of the secessionists so that there no authorities to request Putins intervention.

    If Putin has drones, he has the option of taking out Taruta and Kolomoyskiy. If Putin lets Washington retain the Russian provinces of eastern Ukraine, he will have demonstrated a weakness that Washington will exploit. Washington will exploit the weakness to the point that Washington forces Putin to war.

    The war will be nuclear."

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    How can the looting have already begun? The dust hasn't settled yet. What is this theft by deception. Try to steal 5 bucks from the seven eleven clerk. I want to say unbelievable Dave, but its very believable.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You won't find me apologizing for Obama, I'm quite disgusted with him. But there won't be any meaningful change coming from the next republican admin. Either. Slogan all they want.
    So the American electorate should vote for another Democrat?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    [QUOTE=DaveFagan;1063007122]Here's a little information on that "aid" package. I sure hope Obama and Co. don't show up here to hep" me out. Hot dam y'all, ah swar, but it looks like the Big Corporations won't be hurt and who'd a thunk that? Looks like the poor will get to suffer, but what the hell, they're used to it, eh? Hope and change? Not for Ukraine.

    The Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun
    "By Paul Craig Roberts
    March 07, 2014 "Information Clearing House - According to a report in Kommersant-Ukraine, the finance ministry of Washington’s stooges in Kiev who are pretending to be a government has prepared an economic austerity plan that will cut Ukrainian pensions from $160 to $80 so that Western bankers who lent money to Ukraine can be repaid at the expense of Ukraine’s poor. .- - It is Greece all over again.
    This is a private opinion unencumbered by facts.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So the American electorate should vote for another Democrat?
    Of course not. It's time for change we can believe in. There's a dimes thickness of difference between the two parties in the end. While many recognize this, until a large majority of Americans do, and put their citizenship ahead of partisan loyalties, we can expect more.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Of course not. It's time for change we can believe in. There's a dimes thickness of difference between the two parties in the end. While many recognize this, until a large majority of Americans do, and put their citizenship ahead of partisan loyalties, we can expect more.
    What sort of change would you believe in?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So we are recognising this "new" Ukrainian government as legit and democratic he called it, despite the fact it came about through intrigue and violence and isn't recognised by all Ukrainians. Thing is, it will be representative of Western interests, and THAT is what makes it legit.
    Yep, that's the way the game is played these days. To be fair, that's what most governments do now.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Republicans should adopt "Really Real Hope and Change For Sure This Time" as their campaign slogan, make the same promises BHO made, and the Left might buy it again,
    Both parties will likely do something strongly resembling that. People shouldn't fall for that garbage. It's something that has been done over and over again, long before Obama.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Washington will exploit the weakness to the point that Washington forces Putin to war.

    The war will be nuclear."
    I surely hope not.

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