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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    As my Air Force Dad would say, you bet your ass they would.
    China is already invested in Ukraine.
    Time for the World to turn off the spigot from our side first .
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    Don't you think that China would gladly relieve Russia of that oil and gas?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, Monte let not forget what Gates says.


    Obama must carefully calibrate Russia response, rhetoric: Gates

    President Barack Obama needs to look "two or three moves out" as he weighs his response to Russia's seizure of Ukraine's Crimea Peninsula, which Moscow is unlikely to soon reverse, Obama's former defense secretary, Robert Gates, said on Sunday.

    Gates, a Russia expert and former CIA chief, portrayed a difficult path for Obama in which European allies may "huff and puff" but fail to match rhetoric with strong action and where Russian President Vladimir Putin feels he has the upper hand.

    "From Putin's standpoint, he's in the catbird seat. He's put himself in a position where we need him in terms of the Syrian chemical (weapons) deal. We need him in terms of the Iranian nuclear program," Gates, who served as defense secretary from 2006 to 2011, said in a telephone interview with Reuters.

    "We need the Russians in terms of getting our (military) equipment out of Afghanistan."

    Asked how he would advise Obama in the crisis in Ukraine, Gates pointed to lessons from Russia's war with Georgia in 2008, when he said Washington wanted to react with more forceful economic and political measures than EU allies did.

    "We ran the risk of being the ones who would be isolated because we favored a much more aggressive response than any of our (European) allies did," said Gates, who was President George W. Bush's defense secretary at the time.

    "So that's one of the things the president's got to look out for."

    Indeed, the European Union is not expected to match the United States in threatening sanctions against Russia when its foreign ministers meet to discuss Ukraine on Monday, instead pushing for mediation between Moscow and Kiev, officials say.....snip~

    Obama must carefully calibrate Russia response, rhetoric: Gates
    I hear ya man, but I have no respect for Gates, and I think Putin has legitimacy in his actions, SO FAR!! Putin starts doing to Ukraine what Bush did to Iraq, I'll be singing a whole different tune.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The World has plenty of sources of oil and gas.
    But not EU.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    If Russia does get peeved at Europe, guess what they will do. OOPs, no more oil and gas although that would put a crimp in their Ruble, Europe would be far more hurt. Hmm, Europe to place sanctions on Russia, Russia has an easy reply.
    I encourage Russia to take your advice.
    Once you lose a customer, it's tough getting them back.
    And, how's he gonna pay for Sochi?
    And he's now probably lost the G-8 summit in Sochi.
    When the IMF cuts off funds, we'll see how bellicose Putin is .
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia
    if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine


    Obama threatens to

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the time for warnings is over. The article says they are considering what steps to take. Why don't they already KNOW what steps to take? Why are no contingency plans for this in place already? If our intelligence didn't see this coming? Why not?

    I blame our intelligence community. We spend billions​ of dollars to get a heads up on this type action. What happened?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Europe now has all those Russian oil and gas pipelines delivering Russian oil and gas. If Russia does get peeved at Europe, guess what they will do. OOPs, no more oil and gas although that would put a crimp in their Ruble, Europe would be far more hurt. Hmm, Europe to place sanctions on Russia, Russia has an easy reply.
    That's correct Pero.....which if they tried the Sanctions. It hurts the EU and not just Russia. Which then the EU wont want to pay all those Royalties that Putin will surely place into effect.


    Russia sets Ukraine agenda with diplomacy, threats

    Hague said "the world cannot just allow this to happen." But he, like other Western diplomats, ruled out any military action. "The U.K is not discussing military options. Our concentration is on diplomatic and economic pressure."
    Market reaction to the Russian seizure of Crimea was furious Monday. In European trading, gold and oil rose while the euro and stock markets fell. The greatest impact was felt in Moscow, where the main RTS index was down 12 percent at 1,115 and the dollar spiked to an all-time high of 37 rubles.

    Russia's central bank hiked its main interest rate 1.5 percentage points Monday to 7 percent, trying to stem financial outflows.

    Gazprom, the Russian energy giant, was also big loser, its share price down 13 percent as investors worried about how it would get its gas to Europe if hostilities kept up, since much of it goes through Ukrainian pipelines.....snip~

    Russia sets Ukraine agenda with diplomacy, threats - NewsTimes

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Europe now has all those Russian oil and gas pipelines delivering Russian oil and gas. If Russia does get peeved at Europe, guess what they will do. OOPs, no more oil and gas although that would put a crimp in their Ruble, Europe would be far more hurt. Hmm, Europe to place sanctions on Russia, Russia has an easy reply.
    Russia can't afford to cut into their profits.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Divide and conquer, huh?
    I don't get this - both Russia (especially Russia) and the U.S. have vast territories and they are greedy for more?
    What territories are the Americans greedy for?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I encourage Russia to take your advice.
    Once you lose a customer, it's tough getting them back.
    And, how's he gonna pay for Sochi?
    And he's now probably lost the G-8 summit in Sochi.
    When the IMF cuts off funds, we'll see how bellicose Putin is .
    Russia does not need the IMF, Ukraine does. Russia was offering Ukraine money instead of them having to go to the IMF for a loan
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In a global poll, the US is seen as the biggest threat to world peace, so this may be seen as a good development.
    These would be quite uneducated people and, sadly, the world is full of them.

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